 Riggers, Drones and Upgrades, HELP!? |
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  Jan 26 2007, 07:51 PM
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jacked in  Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463  |
Ok, I'm currently reading through the sections about Riggers and Drones and looking at the example character, I'm wondering how exactly are Drones upgraded in Response and Signal, and what are their starting values there?
Is there any information about this out there, or do you have to make it up entirely? :) Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 07:53 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
The same way as commlinks and everything else.
Their device rating is 3. |
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Jan 26 2007, 07:57 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Ah, I see.
So they just start with Response 3 / Signal 3 | Pilot 3 / Firewall 0?1?3? and you move up from there. Thanks! :) Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 07:58 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Device rating 3 means FW 3, too.
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Jan 26 2007, 07:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
Are the device ratings for all drones 3? Because I think it says something in the book (I don't have it on me right now) that "security" drones have a device rating of 4. At any rate, our GM let our rigger have his steel lynxes have a 4 rating. |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:04 PM
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Hoppelhäschen 5000 Group: Members Posts: 5,807 Joined: 3-January 04 Member No.: 5,951 |
Security vehicles do have 4, drones have 3.
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Jan 26 2007, 08:06 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
I just found that table. Now that's some well-hidden information... ;)
Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:17 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Hmm... page 212 has example Signal Ratings... and lists micro-drones at 2 and crawlers at 4.
Shouldn't those be used instead of the more generic 3 then? Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:23 PM
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Genuine Artificial Intelligence Group: Members Posts: 4,019 Joined: 12-June 03 Member No.: 4,715 |
Yeah. Probably. The table you mentioned before should really say Drones: 3ish. 2 and 4 are 3ish. :-D Ratings of 3 are not carved in stone, and if you have the time and desire you should vary device ratings a little bit, but that table gives you a good starting point to use as a guideline.
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Jan 26 2007, 08:44 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
One more question... am I right to assume, that Drone Response does not take a hit for running many Autosofts (since they do not even have a System Rating, though Pilot could be used instead here)?
Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:45 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Nope, autosofts are programs, they affect Response. |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 3-January 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 10,517 |
I am pretty sure that drones do in fact take a response hit for running too many programs. |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
to add on to what direradiant said, pilot = system for those purposes. that being said, exceeding the program load has been thankfully explained in the FAQ to not create the horrible spiral of death. iirc, the programs would run at full rating, just the drone would lose 1 point from it's initiative score basically, but check the FAQ for details |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:53 PM
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The Dragon Never Sleeps Group: Admin Posts: 6,924 Joined: 1-September 05 Member No.: 7,667 |
Device|Node|Commlink|Drone
Response = Device Rating Signal = Device Rating Firewall = Device Rating System = Pilot Rating |
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Jan 26 2007, 08:57 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Alright, thanks! :)
Bye Thanee |
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Jan 26 2007, 09:01 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
You might find this thread interesting, discussing several aspects of drones:
http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?showtopic=16152 |
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Jan 26 2007, 11:50 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
i would say that the easiest way is to just look at the pilot rating of said drone, translate that into a device rating and go from there.
that means that all drones in SR4 BBB have all their stats (responce, pilot (it replaces system in a drone), signal, firewall) at 3 as a starting point. |
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Jan 27 2007, 01:47 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
the FAQ explicitly mentions that drones with built in weapon mounts have a response of 4.
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Jan 27 2007, 01:53 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Which is more expensive than the drone itself . . .
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Jan 27 2007, 02:32 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 208 Joined: 15-January 07 Member No.: 10,652 |
That'snot unusual though; the Ares Predator, for example, contains a Smartlink which is more expensive than the gun.
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Jan 27 2007, 09:20 AM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
Hmm... I'm just wondering what the point of "jumping into" a vehicle is.
If I have a good Reaction, I only get to roll less dice for maneuvering than before, since I use Response (i.e. 3 for a typical vehicle) instead of Reaction (i.e. 8 with Reaction Enhancers) then to make my Pilot Check as per the errata. Even with a Control Rig and hot sim VR (which comes along with some disadvantages even), I'm off worse than before. Huh!? So, why should I "jump into" the vehicle, when it only makes me slower? Bye Thanee |
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Jan 27 2007, 11:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
You get additional dice (+2 in hot VR) you get -1 Threshold in Hot VR, you get 3 IPs in Hot VR. You can utilize a Control Rig (+2 dice).
And I would use the Response the Persona is running on. Thats the Commlinks. I would only use the drones Response for tests when the Drone Pilot is doing somehting. And I personally would disallow more than 1 vhehicle test per turn if not jumped in. |
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Jan 27 2007, 12:38 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
hmm, well color me surprised... |
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Jan 28 2007, 05:20 PM
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jacked in Group: Admin Posts: 9,424 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 |
If I have a Reaction of 8 and 3 IP (Wired 2), and I "jump into" a typical vehicle (Response 3), even with hot VR (extra disadvantage because of potential biofeedback) and a Control Rig (costs Essence and ¥), I roll less dice then (7 instead of 8 + skill) as opposed to manually driving the vehicle. And I have to go hot VR to even have the same number of IP, otherwise I get one less. All that seems a little weird. Also, when evading attacks, you normally roll Reaction + Handling, and now Response + Handling, I suppose? Do you even get the +2 from the Control Rig here? The -1 Threshold is certainly a bonus, though. And I agree, that one should only be able to make multiple control tests for a vehicle when "jumped in". Makes sense. But that's a house rule already. Bye Thanee |
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Jan 28 2007, 05:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,498 Joined: 4-August 05 From: ADL Member No.: 7,534 |
Furthermore I would not allow dodge/infiltration... actions and such when not driving in VR. Manually you are only allowed to do vehicle tests and thats it.
I am telling you nothing new when I say that I think the matrix/rigging RAW are not that good . . . |
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