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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 ![]() |
I am working on the TSS competition to write a module in 10,000 words to bring back Big D. The winner gets a new copy of SoE. What I am looking for is the complete history of Big D's "death". I read the Dragon Heart trilogy, but alas I do not own DotSW. Can anyone help me out here with some research? [ Spoiler ]
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 ![]() |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 ![]() |
not gonna bother with spoilers, if you don't know this stuff already it's a good time to learn.
as far as i know, D became a free spirit named Lethe (named so because he had no memory) upon his death, due to the machinations of the Dragon Heart he created. the Heart shunted him to the metaplanes. after much wacky hinjinx, he possessed Burnout and now guards some sort of metaplanar chasm. on the other side of the chasm are the Horrors, whom Burnout/D is keeping at bay by destroying any attempts to bridge the chasm. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 ![]() |
Dunkie's amnesic post-mortem spirit attempted to possess the cyberzombie known as Burnout. The cybermantic rituals performed on Burnout prevented the spirit from leaving.
Now, Dunkie-Billy (aka Burnout; used to be a hermetic magician until he...you guessed it...took too much cyberware and burned out!) have been translated onto the metaplanes, where they use the Dragonheart to keep us safe from the nasty Horrors! Yeah, Dunkie could be brought back. But it would be a bitch to do so, and then we'd be wide open to the Horrors again. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 502 Joined: 14-May 03 From: Detroit, Michigan Member No.: 4,583 ![]() |
As I understand it old Dunkie simply sits there smashing any spike points that may appear. Since he's already taken out the big one there isn't much to stop him from taking a vacation and seeing what's going on back on Earth. You know he's got to be curious.
I just don't see how they'd be able to bring back his dragon body. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 ![]() |
"dunk smash! rrrarrrr!"
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Technomancer ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,638 Joined: 2-October 02 From: Champaign, IL Member No.: 3,374 ![]() |
Maybe he could "find" a new one. Ghostwalker seemed to have his stashed somewhere between DC and Denver when he came through the Dunk. Rift. Perhaps there are other dragon bodies laying around?
grasping at straws, I know |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 ![]() |
As down-cycle hunting worked, I'm presuming Dragons must have some link to their physical bodies.
I do suspect Dillyzahnout could take trips back to the physical plane though... They'd probably be brief though and he'd not take them without good reason. As it happens I see no reason a powerful initiate physadept drake, such-as Ryan Munchcury, couldn't make a metaplane-call every once in a while to see how things are going. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 ![]() |
as a free spirit, dunk probably gained the materialization power. if he can break out of burnout's body, he'll have no trouble forming an appropriate form in the physical plane.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 ![]() |
Y'see that's one thing about Lethe... He could never touch the physical plane.
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 ![]() |
ah. i got tired of the writing, and skipped from halfway through the first book to the last few pages of the last book, so i probably missed a detail or two.
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 ![]() |
Wow. I obviously need to re-read those books. That was so not what I got out of them. I need to do it in a hurry to.
So Lethe was big D all along eh? Kinda weird but cool. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 ![]() |
I understood it as Dunk's spirit is trapped in the physical body of Billy/Burnout which in turn is in the metaplanes. Harlequin used the same ritual he used in H's Back to take Burnout's physical body to the Astral.
Unless someone is theroizing that exposure to the Dragon Heart and the massive amounts of mana somehow transformed Billy/Burnout back into a spirit... Hey Shadow, you gonna make Lucreto (whatever her name is) have a cameo at least? Edit: Just read your last post. I think there was something about Dunk had to hurry with the last part so the ritual didn't work quite as well and he, well, lost his mind. Not sure, though. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 654 ![]() |
Dashifen, do you mean Denver rather then Detroit, or is there something in the novels that sugests Detroit? (I've only read one SR novel, it was good, so I don't want to break the illusion) Also, since you are in the Lehigh Valley, what do you think would happen to the area in the SR universe, I lived there for much of my life and may be moving back. |
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MechRigger Delux ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 1,151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Hanger 18, WPAFB Member No.: 1,657 ![]() |
I assumed that Burnout got passed entierly over to the Astral plane...his whole physical being and that he was protecting the spot near the Foevea in Mexico from blood magicians ever using it again. Who knows maybe he just roams the astral looking for "bridges/spikes" and alerting Ryan and Assests Inc to potential threats
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 114 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,137 ![]() |
what if those dragon bones dunkie asked to be found in his will were a way he could come back? Maybe they're imbued with some kind of old unknown earthdawnian (is that a word?) magic that once assembled would give him a body to return to. So maybe he planned on it.
curious question... I know its too late, but if he had come back before his term was up as pres, would be entitled to take back over? Or is it too late by then? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 214 Joined: 7-January 03 From: Wilton NH Member No.: 3,872 ![]() |
So D would become a DracoLich!?!?
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Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,545 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gloomy Boise Idaho Member No.: 2,006 ![]() |
I am not the master of the meta plot.... who? Ok in the same spirit as my original question: Is their anyone who meets the following requirments? 1: They are a powerful mage. 2: They hated Big D with a passion. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 ![]() |
Shadow:
Lucrecio was the blood spirit that was bound to Oscuro and subsequently freed by the blast that destroyed the Locus. She also was the one that found the displaced astral form of Talon. To your two part question: Darke would qaulify. Assuming he lived or his successor if you choose that he did not. Other than that...one of the IEs? Ehran and Harlequin didn't HATE Dunk that much (per Post Mortem) but we don't know what the rest really think. I'd vote for Urdli. He's pretty much a dick in my book. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 62 Joined: 6-May 03 From: What do you mean? Meat bod or not? Member No.: 4,543 ![]() |
"Give me an I. Give me an E" "IE??? WTF do you mean by that?" "Immortal elves, there are aparently plenty, and some hates all dragons, and AH could probably come up with a name on someone who hates Dunky" |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 ![]() |
As it has it has been said, not all elves hate all dragons and vice versa. Some elves hate some dragons... |
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Beetle Eater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 ![]() |
I would use a secret human cabal -something similar to the Black Lodge. We also know there were down cycle hunters that Sirrurg is trying to eliminate as he finds them. Perhaps they would have the power and motivation you require. One such hunter held off Sirrurg for several minutes before the dragon downed the plane he was on.
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 ![]() |
That guy was Black Lodge?!? Or are you theorizing? |
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Beetle Eater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 ![]() |
I'm theorizing that he was a hunter and part of a larger group, but not a member of Black Lodge. I was just mentioning the Lodge because they have powerful mages.
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 ![]() |
Cool. Gotcha. :)
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