Initiative and running speed, Does Mr. Wired run faster? Options

[Space Ghost]

Does having more actions actually allow you to move farther in a round?

[hahnsoo]

[Space Ghost]

Does a person with multiple passes (say, three for instance) have to split his movement in three parts? That would be a little strange because a person with only 1 initiative pass could arrive at his destination before Mr. Wired.
Example
Pass 1: Mr. Wired goes first, moves 1/3 his distance. SlowBoy goes next, going his full distance and arriving at Destination.
Pass 2 and 3: Mr. Wired goes two more times and catches up with SlowBoy on his final Pass.


Or can you move in a pass that you don't have an action in?
Example
Pass 1: Mr. Wired moves 1/3 his movement and takes an action. SlowBoy moves 1/3 his movement and takes his action.
Pass 2: Mr. Wired moves another 1/3 and takes and action. SlowBoy moves another 1/3 but doesn't have any actions left.
Pass 3: Same as Pass 2.

Or, alternately, does your speed simply act a cap on how far you can go in a round, regardless of how many actions you can take?
Example
Pass 1: Mr. Wired goes first. He can move his entire distance and take an action. SlowBoy goes next. He can move his entire distance and take an action.
Pass 2: Mr. Wired can take an action, but has no movement left. SlowBoy can do nothing at all.
Pass 3: same as Pass 2.

[Mr. Unpronouncea...]

That's pretty much how it worked in SR3...though a lot of folks houseruled splitting movement by maximum initiative passes, not simply personal ones.

For example: (note: numbers made up so the math is easy)

Fastboy has an 11 initiative and moves 24 meters/turn
Lardboy goes on 3 and moves 8 meters/turn

so there's 2 passes, each moves 1/2 of their movement on each pass
Fastboy goes, Lardboy starts moving
Fastboy has pass 2, Lardboy continues moving (but gets no additional actions)

[Cang]

im still very confused on movement. in the book it says

[Moon-Hawk]

No, I think it means that someone with 1 IP would get a third of the way there and act on their first pass, and on the next two passes continue their movement.
That example is rather incomplete, because it only considers Twitch, who seems to have three IP, although it never explicitly states that.
Twitch may very well only have 2 IP. It says the turn has 3IP, not Twitch.
Maybe he acts and moves the first pass, going 8 meters, on the second pass he helps his friend up, and on the third pass he can't act, but still moves 8 more meters.

[Azralon]

I almost wouldn't mind if they said everyone has a movement of X, and each additional physical IP you get lets you move another X.

It'd simplify combat movement, and let the people who do things 3x faster than normal cover 3x more ground.

[Cang]

Lets say twich here has one IP and the combat turn has three passes. would he start running on the first, cont. on the second and on the third be at the location? that seems to make some meaning out of this to me. Everyone running that turn would only get there at the third pass. Twitch with one IP has to use his action on his first pass but will only get there on the third, so if he wanted to punch the guy he is after he would have to do it on the next combat turn, being he doesn't have a turn at the third pass. Yet the guy with the three turns gets to act on every but will still get there at the third pass with twich.

[FrankTrollman]

Remember, the example is based on the round being 3 IPs long, not on the number of IPs that Twitch actually has. This method of doing things is normally extremely intuitive, you simply divide everyone's movement by the maximum number of IPs that anyone in the combat has. It can get pretty hairy, of course, as soon as anyone spends Edge for an extra IP - since of course they don't have to do that at the beginning of the round...

BTW, did anyone else notice that example was modified from a previous edition where elves ran faster than humans?

-Frank

[Moon-Hawk]

[Rotbart van Dain...]

Hrm. As nobody can have more than 4 IPs, it would be a solution to always calculate movement for that case.

[Moon-Hawk]

[Cang]

Frank, so do you mean that if there is someone with 3IP in a combat turn you take each persons movement and divide it by three. Then a person with 1 IP moves 8 Meters on their one turn and the person with 3 IP moves 8 meters every turn if they all had a base of 25 m/turn?

[Moon-Hawk]

[Shadowmeet]

I like dividing things by the 4 initiative passes as well. I think it makes a lot of sense.

I'd also like to point out that wired reflexes and synaptic boosters do not increase your physical speed, merely your reaction, and the ability for your nervous sytem to process the signals it recieves.

Now, I can see a reason for certain muscle augmentations to increase strength, or your running speed being enhanced by the average of your strength and agility, or something to that effect.

Edit: Perhaps that would work. Running speed is 25 + Half Str+Half Agil
That way certain augmentations would make you physically faster as well as mentally faster.

[Cang]

Thanks, that clears it up. Sorry for using the word turn, it isn't nitpicky, it's just i am used to it i guess. Thanks again. Just trying to get this right for my players. :cyber:

[Moon-Hawk]

Cang: No problem. This has always been a confusing issue.

Shadowmeet: I like that idea. The fixed 4 passes make figuring speed easier, I think, and putting strength into the calculation seems realistic.

[MaxMahem]

[FrankTrollman]

Note: at 25 m/turn people are already running towards the high end of normal human running. That's a 12 second hundred meter dash before sprinting checks are made.

Using just the basic rules, a character can make two sprinting checks per IP, both of which are strength based, so very strong individuals can run exceedingly fast (a cybertroll with a synthacardium can quite plausibly run a 3 second 100 meter dash, which would be expected to handily win drag races). Agility does not factor into running speed at all, but considering that Agility adds to all your hand-eye coordination skills like longarms and lockpicking, that doesn't bother me at all.

-Frank

[Liper]

I'm glad they changed the running rules, because elves would rule the world beyond just thier daisy eating magic.

[Shadowmeet]

See, I think I skipped over the sprinting rules. That's better than my idea.
Thanks Frank.

[Cang]

one more question. If i have a player who is human (running an average of 25 m/turn) who wants to attack someone with his sword that is 25 meters away and he has one IP and his other team mate has 3, can the person with the 1 IP say he wants to attack the goon across the room and run on the first IP, second IP and reach his target and hit it on the third IP (for he will be using one complex action and a free action to do this)?

This is pretty much what i am trying to figure out for my axe wielding player.

[Space Ghost]

Well, now i'm starting to lean towards allowing extra speed for those who have extra IPs. As for the current rules, my concern is this:
Joe Average wants to move towards his enemy (25 metres away), and punch him. Joe has one IP.
If no one in the combat has 2 or more IP, Joe can get there and hit the guy in his action.
If anyone has 2 or more IPs, Joe has to divide his movement. He'll go 12.5 metres, take his action (he's too far to punch the guy, so it's wasted), then arrive at his enemy during the second pass. He needs to wait until the next turn to actually hit the guy.

Is there any way to take your movement during the first pass, but delay your action until later ones? That would clear up everything.

[Space Ghost]

Oops. Looks like Cang beat me to it.

[Cang]

i am very very sneaky :P