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[Alexandru]

Ok a big theme in my upcomeing campaign will be the prostitution rings, with all kinds of sick immoral junk going on.

Now there is a deacent little blurb in sr4 about it, but I would love more thematic, futuristic ideas.

One of my players, has this whole Geisha thing in mind(stupid movie). Some sort of corporate high class prostitute deal going on. Due to the obvious asain influence on the game.

[emo samurai]

For you, the only limit is your imagination; for Fanpro, the "only" limit is their fear of the censors.

[Alexandru]

[The Jopp]

Are you saying that we don't have the twisted imagination to write our own guide? :D :grinbig: :D

[Alexandru]

[mfb]

i can't take credit for this idea, but: a corp could make a decent amount of change by rounding up squatters in various derelict properties the corp owns and selling them.

[fistandantilus4....]

FOr a few quick ideas:

try Sprawl Survival Guide. Gives the basic gist of sexuality in the 60's. Most of what is taboo now if common place then. You will probably still catch crap for de-flowering your dog,and non-consensual is still what is known as a 'felony'. Other than that... sky's the limit.

Check out the Underground Source book if you can find it. Has a whole seciton on it. Stuff like Bunraku parlors where the joy boys and girls are on personfix chips to act like whomever you want. Pay enough and they can get the bio-sculpt job to go with it. That'll be easier in the 70's with stuff like nano-paste. The whole AR adds whole new possibilities to 'cybersex'. Ever see that 6th day schwarzenneger flick where the guy has that 'virtual companion'? Those are in the normal equipment section of SR4. Then there's the possibilities that SURGE and awakened sex offer.

Ever heard of the entertainment spell? How 'bout the 'orgasm' spell? ;)

[fistandantilus4....]

[Alexandru]

Thought I had just now while haveing a smoke.

Matrix pervs, they gotta be a huge increase of this going on. Look at all the deviants and wierdoes that troll our primitive internet, just imagine the possibilities of AR/VR.

Walking down the street with your AR on and your SimSense turned on when bam some pervo hacker slaps you with a rape program that gets you all virtually felt up. What about some Icon rape?

[fistandantilus4....]

[SL James]

[Critias]

[mfb]

[RunnerPaul]

[Mr.Platinum]

I ripped of a scene from dead or Alive, where the runners had to contact a YAk pornographer, and he was taking picture of a woman and a dog, heck he even asked one of the runners to help get the dog going.

I have been called distastefule for doing an edventure about kidnappings and fetus farmers but al they did was laugh at the situation.

[JongWK]

Fetus farming is detailed in Underworld. I ran that story last year, and absolutely horrified my players (especially one of them, a Biology professor). They now have a shoot-ghouls-on-sight policy.

[emo samurai]

Heheheheh....



HahahahahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

[BishopMcQ]

**Reads Jong's post, frantically begins searching for Underworld book.**

Thanks Jong, I think you just gave me a wonderful tie-in to bring a few floating ideas together!

[Critias]

A few floating fetus farming ideas? Fantastic!

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

@Underworld
I can realy recomandate that for getting some creepy ideas, Tamanous & Halberstam (from Threats 1) make for a good pair of bussiness associates.

@Hackers
Way back in SR2 I had a Decker-NPC (forgot his name), with a reality filter and a "Little naked man with gigantic ***"-persona. Oh yes, "Noodle" was his name, guess what his iconography for datatransfer looked (and tasted) like :P

@SURGE
There is a nice interview with a porn-starlet cum cat-like super sex-icon in YOTC.

@p-fixes & PCs
Y´know what you can do to them (thoug some players do not take that lightly)

@AR/Sim
"Strange days" might get you some inspiration, as well as some Sim-Wiz NPC in the good old Prime Runners sb (Giancarlo Bagio or something like that)

@Sprawl Survival Guide
I like that book. Will give You a good many inspirations (some spirit-prostitution anyone ;) , or what about sprites?).

@Going to space?
There is a short description of prostitution up there, which is more like a hobby for some indipendants in this very small community, might allso work that way in other enclosed corp-enclaves.

@AR-Personas
You can pritty much do everything with this, nobody will get you arrested for raping a programmed VR-(everything you dare to imagin)...

Edit: ARGH.. winterhawk is right, how could I forget :S guess thats what happens, when you spend too much time learning for university and too little time for rpg :dead:

[winterhawk11]

[BishopMcQ]

Hawk--Thanks for the heads up. I've actually been using them for a few other things.

So what does a syndicate backed houngan, a tamanous cult and that syndicate run-brothel all have in common? Now I found another piece for the puzzle.

[Ancient History]

The Zobop in New Orleans removing most of the organs from its victims and then reanimating the corpses as zombie prostitutes? Man, what an imagination!

[Mr.Platinum]

some people are necropheliacs and don't even know it, thats totally nasty.

[BishopMcQ]

[SL James]

Yeah, I doubt that they're that picky if they are able to fuck a zombie in the first place.

[Valentinew]

Since reading up on technos & how they prefer to go VR most of the time, I'd kinda wondered about how some technos might agree to be joyboys & girls, since they aren't using their bodies most of the time anyway....

[FrankTrollman]

The zombie creation process holds off decay for as long as the spirit inhabits the body. The spirit has the same intuition and logic as any other spirit of its Force, which means that it's probably better than human normal.

In short, I don't think having sex with zombies and shedim counts as necrophilia. It's just like having sex with a mantis spirit or a vampire. The original occupant of the body is dead and gone, but the creature you are fucking is alive and sapient. There's really nothing to feel guilty about even.

-Frank

[stevebugge]

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

[FrankTrollman]

Well sure, there's the whole "Holy crap, I just had sex with an axe murderer!" thing, but the sex with the zombie itself is not immoral. You had consensual sex with a sapient creature and on that score did nothing wrong.

Zombies, Vampires, Shedim, and Insect spirits frequently do things that are to one degree or another wrong, but they aren't off limits for sexual intercourse the way children, animals, and coma patients are.

In short, if someone had sex with a good merge wasp spirit my admonition would be "What were you thinking!? You could have been killed!" and not "You sick bastard! That wasn't a competant moral agent that you just coerced into adult behavior!"

-Frank

[Mr.Platinum]

Illusion spells can help with the reality of banging a zombie/

[PlatonicPimp]

well, yes, but illusion spells can help with the reality of banging THIN AIR.

[RunnerPaul]

[hyzmarca]

Standard zombies are sub-sentient in SR3 and they don't exist in SR4 canon. What more, they are slaves to their conjurers like any other spirit. Grande zombies are sentient and free-willed, however.

Of course, any criteria one comes up with for judging competence to consent is going to have some loopholes. What about children who are chipping the personality of a competent and consenting adult?

[PlatonicPimp]

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

@Alexandru

btw are you doing this joygirl-champaine with that group of chicks ;)
reminds me of 20th Century Fox somehow :P

just kidding

Has anybody wonderd, why female players are allways (at least in my experiance, save 1 exception) either brutal killers (in rpg naturaly) or rather quiet players?

[PlatonicPimp]

I call bullshit on that stereotype. I have two female players in my group. One is the planner of the group, and the other is actively into characters that address sexual, gender and racial issues. No silent ones or Killers.

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

Well, then there is hope ;) (makes three with the one non-stereotype female I knew, if non of Your´s is named Helene)

[Alexandru]

My females are alwasy brutal killers. They play Street Sams or Combat Mages, my male players always take the face/planner roles for some reason.

[RunnerPaul]

[emo samurai]

[Alexandru]

Stereotypes tend to be just that, stereotypes. The only thing I know from experiance is that most gamers play one type of character over others. You have combat types, sneaky types, leadership types, and smart/mage types. People tend to stick to those roles over different games.

[PlatonicPimp]

This is true. While the type of character and their focus change from campaign to campaign, there is one thing that remains the same, One of my female players always plays male characters. Always.

[Critias]

[FrankTrollman]

To get this thread back on topic, we're all agreed that having sex with a corps cadavre is like raping a retarded woman, right?

-Frank

[Drace]

Except that not all retarded people would know what is going on, or understand it, while a corps cadavre, is well, less mobile (unless theres a spirit, which is what I think you mean, and in that case, is quite knowing of what your doing, but might not want it, so more rape)

Also, has anyone thought of using a cult/cannibal group, that uses fetus farms to make human sacrifices/veal?

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

There are some hints to nevoux-canibalism in SoA involving Tamanous, Wendegoes and rich people. Yakashima is involved in the research of synthetic metahuman flesh for Ghuls but seem to aim at a canibal-market, too.

[Grinder]

Tamanous selling flesh and bones to ghouls and wendigo sounds reasonable to me, from a business point of view. After all, the more they can sell off a boy, the better.

[Bullet Raven]

I only read about Tamanous LAST NIGHT, so I thought "Hey, I haven't heard about these on Dumpshock before, let's go see what's up" and right at the top...

:D

[fistandantilus4....]

interesting how a "joygirls" topic naturally leades to Tanamous. ;)

Dead hookers and all that. No more leaving htem under the mattress for some kids to find. No no no, now you can get your money back and then some!

Even by todays' standards an intact healthy body is worth around $60k in parts to businesses that deal in that sort of thing (yes there are businesses for that).

[Mr.Platinum]

[fistandantilus4....]

that's the most recent quote I've seen form a news article a couple of months ago. The one concerning the guys that ran a mortuary in (I think) N.Y. that were taking parts out of bodies that were supposed to be buried 'whole', and replacing them with 'filler's. Like a shin bone that was taken for marrow, replaced w/ PVC pipe.

[winterhawk11]

[stevebugge]

[Mr.Platinum]

[Reprisal]

Is prostitution still illegal in most places? I would have assumed that the megacorporations, or at least other enterprising firms, would have started a drive to make for decriminalization and perhaps even some form of industry certification.

"Don't worry, hon, I'm fully licensed by the EVO Corporation. You can even check the results of my last medical examination at the CrashCart Clinic. Here, I'll send it to you, what's your commcode?"

Nothing would be so awfu- I mean fitting in a "sorta cyberpunk" setting like Shadowrun like having a legitimization of "casual prostitution" for some disposable income by corporations. There's nothing like cheap, reliable and widely-accepted licensing of prositutes to keep the levels of consumption up in bear markets.

I'm smirking at the idea of an entry-level businessman/marketer getting real excited during his interview with Mile High Escorts (a subsidiary of the Horizon Group) and educating himself on various studies done on worker efficiency in a brothel environment versus the escort service and independent-contractor business models...

I mean, there's money to be made, how are coprorations going to stop themselves from pursuing it voraciously?

[Liper]

it is illegal in alot of places, seattle bieng one, just the cops are too over worked and have more important things to worry about then the softcrimes.

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

Well prostitution is not illegal in my homeland, still there are lots of shady dealings and org. crime involved in the market! Since not many hookers like to do the job and they also tend to burn out with time, there is always a great demand for fresh flesh, which is attended to, in part, by "slave traders", that illegally import the meat from countries with less fortunate living standards and force them to work in the brothels or on the street.

also the more nasty variants like bunraku (using illegal BTL-technology), children or other sick stuff will likely not be legalized, even by extrateritorials (too much bad pr).

[Mr.Platinum]

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

[Mr.Platinum]

Hmmm Germany, bring me back to many adventures and having to make a couple of charactes due to shoot first ask questions later

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

[Rotbart van Dain...]

[emo samurai]

Doesn't Aztlan have prostitution provided for by the company, with the level of quality depending on your level in the management ladder?

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

I´m not a crack regarding the novels, but one of my players told me about something similar with Yamatetsu once.
For sure, the corps would have trustworthy services at hand (in-house ore outsorced) to keep ther valuable employees from getting involved with possible information and security leaks.

[Reprisal]

Yamatetsu, eh? I'm getting an image in my head that they kept an in-house collection of geisha, or something similar. Perhaps Yamatetsu's metamorphosis into Evo could lead to a slow but assured fundamental change in the corporate culture from a "good little keiretsu" into a harder and more competitive firm where these higher-class 'geisha' slowly devolve into middle or lower-class 'joygirls' due to changing expectations. It's not exactly a pretty thought, but fitting in a cyberpunk/everything-going-down-the-tubes sort of way...

[Mr.Platinum]

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

@ Mr. P
I still don´t get it. So you lost some of your charakters in an advanture in the german allied states?

[Mr.Platinum]

ah don't worry , it's nothing: just my pointless rambling.

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

Yea, I´m getting used to it, just don´t let "you know who" see, how we are derailing this threat :D

Does mentioning his name actually summon his attention, like I suspect?

[Mr.Platinum]

:D oh you make me laugh.

But really, JoyGirls provide a service for runners in need of love, and also some times great leads to adventures like in Mr.J's black book, i based a 6 hours session on keeping a hooker alive.

There that should hide any suspsion of derailment.

[emo samurai]

Has EVO become harder? The impression I got was that it just got itself a purpose. A rather creepy purpose, but one that suits street sames just fine.

[Guest_MK Ultra_*]

seams to me, that EVO has jumped the Protheus waggon, maybe thay are prepairing for the scorch (whenever that will be, may be some centuries or 1-2 milenia). There security may have become more rough, since they integrated a lot of russian ex-militaries and MVD-men. Allso there are to be some russian execs (especially in space and naval assets). Thes might have a less polite take on bussiness then ther japanese and other PacRim colegues.