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Platinum View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 05:32 PM Post #1
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115	I have been going over old rules, and I am not able to find the first edition decking naked rules. I have done some searching here and found that you need some ASIST tech to help you interpret the signal. in 1st ed you needed a program carrier, loaded into your datajack. Program carriers went the way of turn to goo and you could then still deck naked with an ASIST converter. I cannot find any of these listed, would this just be a simsense rig? I was working on my custom rules for decking last night, and was thinking that a SS rig wold basically be MCPC 1 Bod 1, Sensors 1, Icon 1, memory 5, load 1, i/o 1, so it would let you in, but you are vulnerable. I cannot find the 2nd ED plastic warriors material that had Gurth's rules in them either. Man throwing out RPG material sucks when you come back to everything later.

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mfb View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 05:36 PM Post #2
Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670	i'd say you'd need an ASIST converter in your jack, just like an otaku, rather than a full-blown simsense rig.

Lindt View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 05:43 PM Post #3
Man In The Machine Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,264 Joined: 26-February 02 From: I-495 S Member No.: 1,105	What ever happened to Program carriers anyway? That was some pretty wizzer stuff.

Ancient History

Mar 29 2006, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE (Lindt)

What ever happened to Program carriers anyway? That was some pretty wizzer stuff.

Found to cause hideous, irreversible neural damage.

Platinum View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 06:13 PM Post #5
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115	If you do not have a converter can you use a simrig? Don't rigs have ASIST tech in them? You could also modify the RAS to override in a rig and get that benefit for an extra die. (although personally I feel that all decking should be RAS overridden and no extra benefits from it.

Lindt

Mar 29 2006, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE (Ancient History)

QUOTE (Lindt @ Mar 29 2006, 05:43 PM)

What ever happened to Program carriers anyway? That was some pretty wizzer stuff.

Found to cause hideous, irreversible neural damage.

Ahh, so much like YotC? *ducks*

Daddy's Litt... Daddy's Little Ninja View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 07:28 PM Post #7
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668	The other problem with decking naked. If you take to long you tend to stick to vinyl chairs when you stand up.

JonathanC View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 07:50 PM Post #8
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,241 Joined: 10-August 02 Member No.: 3,083	Okay...I know this can't mean what I'm thinking of (that is, decking without any clothes on)...so what exactly do you mean by "decking naked"?

Daddy's Litt... Daddy's Little Ninja View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 07:56 PM Post #9
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 976 Joined: 16-September 04 From: Near my daughters, Lansdale PA Member No.: 6,668	Avoid rattan chairs.

John Campbell View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 07:56 PM Post #10
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581	On the Matrix, no one knows that you're decking naked.

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Mar 29 2006, 07:58 PM

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Okay...I know this can't mean what I'm thinking of (that is, decking without any clothes on)...so what exactly do you mean by "decking naked"?

Decking Naked is when you are jacked directly into the matrix and do not have a deck to filter/interpret/protect you. Any damage from IC gets dealt to your CNS.

Ankle Biter View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 08:57 PM Post #12
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 671 Joined: 9-March 06 Member No.: 8,353	What I always wanted to know is what would happen if an Ottaku jacked directly into somebody, either another Otaku or a normal decked with or without cyberdeck. I played an Otaku for a while and wanted to know if I could jack into somebody in their sleep and black hammer them to death without them being able to do anything about it, or even better run an Edit on their CNS. :D

Wounded Ronin View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 09:32 PM Post #13
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383	All those pretty girl icons you see floating around the Matrix probably are controlled by massively overweight 60 year old naked men sitting at home.

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Mar 29 2006, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE (Ankle Biter)

What I always wanted to know is what would happen if an Ottaku jacked directly into somebody, either another Otaku or a normal decked with or without cyberdeck.

Is said Otaku still naked?

Do remember that ultimately coitus is merely the exchange of data (and therefore falls properly into the realm of IT). At least that's what I tell my boss.

Wounded Ronin View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 10:09 PM Post #15
Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383	...reeking, salty data.

Deamon_Knight View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 11:14 PM Post #16
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 256 Joined: 24-October 04 Member No.: 6,784	:eek: Why Ronin? Just, Why?

Link View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 11:26 PM Post #17
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Queensland Member No.: 3,180	This is all very Ghost in the Shell. BTW Decking naked is on p111 in SR1. Note also the mysterious Program Enabler on p138.

Kanada Ten View Member Profile	Mar 29 2006, 11:40 PM Post #18
Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826	You can deck naked in SR3, but because you have no Masking attribute or Bod, or Evasion, or Sensor or MPCP, your detection factor is 0 and you can't find anything hidden, dodge, or soak damage. Basically, it's impossible. However, one can make a tiny and cheap cyberterminal that allows most actions to enter the realm of possibility. The cheapest terminal is only 1,300¥ and acts basically just as a program carrier.

Platinum

Mar 30 2006, 03:31 AM

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This is all very Ghost in the Shell.

BTW
Decking naked is on p111 in SR1.
Note also the mysterious Program Enabler on p138.

I, and many others like me do not have the sr1 rules. There is no pdf version on battlecorps either. I am trying to locate Gurth's rules that he worked for sr2

TonkaTuff View Member Profile	Mar 30 2006, 04:26 AM Post #20
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 199 Joined: 11-September 05 Member No.: 7,729	Naked Decking, SR1 style: The program carrier cyber consisted of three prongs (looking something like the Wolverine-style cyber spurs) wired directly into your CNS. If you've ever seen that pic with Dodger, Sally, and Ghost that was used for the cover of SR1 (and maybe SR2, as well - I missed out on that edition), the "blades" sticking out of Dodger's hand are the PC interfaces - each one loaded with either a Sensor, Evasion, or Masking persona chip. Your Willpower stood in for Bod. You jack those three plugs into either an I/O or Slave port, then wire in your datajack as normal. All MPCP damage hits your mental track, and Black IC will still kill you. You could use your headware memory to store datafiles (with an I/O equal to your intelligence), but you had to make all your utilities on the fly with Hacking Pool. And, for once, you could apply the initiative bonus from your Wired Reflexes or VCR to your Matrix initiative. I assume, if the GM decides to allow PC ware in (which is feasible - the severe nerve damage was probably a side effect of use, rather than an inherent design problem with the ware itself), it'd work pretty much like that - all of the stats and and additional ware still exist in much the same form.

Platinum View Member Profile	Mar 30 2006, 04:29 AM Post #21
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Ontari-airee-o Member No.: 1,115	now that's gritty. I wonder if the +10 reaction would still be the cap.

fistandantilus4....

Mar 30 2006, 05:19 AM

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QUOTE (Ankle Biter)

What I always wanted to know is what would happen if an Ottaku jacked directly into somebody, either another Otaku or a normal decked with or without cyberdeck.

I played an Otaku for a while and wanted to know if I could jack into somebody in their sleep and black hammer them to death without them being able to do anything about it, or even better run an Edit on their CNS. :D

IIRC, in the technobabel novel, Ronin does this. THere's a research mage with a datajack plugged in to Ronin's head while examining him magically, and Ronin basically decks the guys head.

Link

Mar 30 2006, 12:20 PM

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I, and many others like me do not have the sr1 rules. There is no pdf version on battlecorps either. I am trying to locate Gurth's rules that he worked for sr2

:newbie:

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I have been going over old rules, and I am not able to find the first edition decking naked rules.

I took this to mean you had 1st ed. Because I sassed you I felt I should dig up the PW/Gurth rules I think you're after.

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PROGRAM CARRIER
In the early 2050s, this piece of cyberware was
highly popular with deckers, because it gave them the
opportunity to access the Matrix without using a complete
cyberdeck. This was known as “decking naked.”
The program carrier consists of three retractable
prongs in the back of the hand, connected to the user’s
brain by subdermal fiberoptic lines. To access the Matrix,
the prongs are inserted into a suitable jackpoint and the
decker’s datajack is connected to that same jackpoint
by means of an ASIST converter (p. 19, Man &
Machine). Persona chips, described on page 59 of
Matrix, must be plugged into the program carrier; only
Evasion, Masking and Sensor can be used—the decker’s
Body serves as the Bod Rating and his or her Willpower
is used as the MPCP Rating (Willpower therefore limits
the ratings of the persona programs as the MPCP rating
does in a normal deck; see Matrix, pp. 58-59—yes, the
decker’s Body Rating does count against this limit).
The decker’s Load speed is equal to ten times his or
her Intelligence, while maximum bandwidth (see p. 32,
Matrix) is the lower of the jackpoint’s Bandwidth rating,
or twice the decker’s Intelligence Attribute Rating.
Any data to be up- or downloaded, as well as any
utilities, frames or agents to be used, must be stored in
the decker’s headware memory, or in an external memory
device connected to a second datajack. Headware
memory functions as both active and storage memory,
but external memory is for storage only (this is as for
cranial cyberdecks, pp. 19-20, Man & Machine).
Utilities can be compressed using a data compactor or
similar cyberware, but must be uncompressed before
they can be used.
There is one advantage, though: any initiative
boosts the decker has that apply in the physical world
also apply when decking naked.
In cybercombat, any damage the cyberdeck would
normally take is applied to the decker’s Stun Condition
Monitor instead. Every time the decker takes damage
in cybercombat, he or she automatically takes 1 point
of stress to a randomly-selected Attribute (Man &
Machine, p. 130), regardless of how many boxes of
damage were actually taken. Furthermore, whenever
the Stun Condition Monitor is filled completely as a
result of decking naked, the decker takes 1D6 points of
stress, again to a random Attribute. Nobody said decking
naked was good for your health…
Note: The rules for decking naked originally appeared
in the first-edition Shadowrun rulebook, but were
removed from later editions for a number of reasons.

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Program Carrier — .2 4/48 hrs 25,000¥* 1 3-S

Shanshu Freeman

Mar 30 2006, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE (Daddy's Little Ninja)

Avoid rattan chairs.

or seek them out?

am i rite? lolo omgzors

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Mar 30 2006, 03:50 PM

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I, and many others like me do not have the sr1 rules. There is no pdf version on battlecorps either. I am trying to locate Gurth's rules that he worked for sr2

:newbie:

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I have been going over old rules, and I am not able to find the first edition decking naked rules.

I took this to mean you had 1st ed. Because I sassed you I felt I should dig up the PW/Gurth rules I think you're after.

Thanks for digging this up .... I downloaded the plastic warriros pdf but I didn't find it ... (It was not an exhaustive look) but I am looking for the second edition rules.
I emailed him so I will wait and see if he still has them. Thanks for the post.

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