 Yo Joe!, ... Hollywood Snake Eyes |
 Sep 4 2007, 11:48 PM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
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Sep 5 2007, 07:01 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
That article is the first I've heard that the movie will actually have anything to do with, well, GI Joe at all.
Every other article (interviews directly with the creators included) I've read about it has mentioned that it (1) won't be called GI Joe, because that term is offensive to most of the world, (2) will be primarily about the British super spy Action Man, with Duke (Wahlberg) and he working together, just the pair of them, as a sort of action buddy flick, (3) was supposed to have absolutely no mention of GI Joe as an organization, Cobra ("because they're silly"), or anything else that had anything to do with, y'know...what it's supposed to be based on. Now, if your article does end up being more true than the other articles, I'm a happy man. I just got home from spending four days at Dragoncon, waltzing around dressed up like a blue-suit Cobra trooper, for pete's sake. I think it's obvious that I want a movie about GI Joe (and all that comes with it), not a movie about Action Man with a token American guy playing sidekick (and no Cobra, no other Joes, and nothing else from the actual franchise of my childhood). |
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Sep 5 2007, 07:14 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 609 Joined: 13-August 07 Member No.: 12,615 |
This reminds me of when the makers of the film "The Sum of All Fears" changed the villains from Islamic extremists (in the Clancy novel) to neo nazis (in the movie). Can't have the world thinking that muslims want to blow stuff up, can we?
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Sep 5 2007, 08:42 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
...what the Hell? |
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Sep 5 2007, 10:03 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
GI Joe was my thing growing up. My favorite toys, bar none. I was into the comic (long live Hama), the cartoon, the movie, the action figures -- you name it. I'm with the Cobra 21st now not only because my loonie wife's loonie friends started the whole thing, but because I'd probably have found them and joined up by now anydamnedways. So, yeah. I've been keeping up with rumors/articles/interviews about the movie. And hating it.
I could do this all day, just Googling in one window and cutting and pasting over to here, but every time read one of these I want to murder someone. So these two or three snippets will have to do. That second one is a quote right from this di Bonaventura knucklehead, by the way. So, yeah. It's, y'know, George Bush (not the film's producer) that's fucking up the GI Joe movie -- just ask him! |
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Sep 5 2007, 10:16 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
You know... coming from where I come from( :P ), I don't really see GI Joe as anything more than a symbol, just like Coke or MacDonalds or Starbucks.
But I liked Action Man too. :eek: |
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Sep 5 2007, 11:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Yeah, that's what I don't get. I've traveled extensively and have lived on five different continents for various amounts of time. Not once have I ever heard "G.I. Joe" being some kind of offensive term, especially to people of non-American countries or cultures. I have no idea where that's coming from. It's about as offensive as "Yankee" or "American" is; all basically contextual synonyms of one another.
For the record, Action Man sucked. His eyes creep me out, man. |
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Sep 5 2007, 01:38 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
Was that you at Gencon as well? And yeah, if the movie is actually GI Joe and not "we took everything 'offensive' out of GI Joe and are going to call it Happy Bunny Fun Time", then it might rock. Bull's huge into GI Joe, too. Maybe he'll jump in here. And Doc has a good point. So many times you see a bunch of Americans talking about what "offends" somebody else...and then you ask the somebody else and it doesn't. On top of that, how about "GI Joe was American, what's stopping you from making a movie about it for Americans?" |
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Sep 5 2007, 05:13 PM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Really, there's already been a good G.I. Joe Movie. Charlie Sheen Starred in it. It was called Platoon.
Nothing can really compare to the good G.I. Joe Marvel comics, which actually treated it like a serious war. The beauty of G.I. Joe is that, when it was done right, it allowed a real brutal gripping emotional war story to be told in media that traditionally did not cater to such things. Robotech was generally superior in this regard when it comes to television, due to the fact that the G.I.Joe television series heavily waters down the violence of war, with no one dying but robots in most cases, but there is still the brutal bit of pure psychological torture known as There's No Place Like Springfield to show people just why being a P.O.W of an enemy that never agreed to the Geneva Convention sucks horribly. Turning it into a live action movie is somewhat counterproductive, since it would be difficult to do it justice without garnering a PG-13 or R rating in today's climate. |
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Sep 5 2007, 06:47 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537 |
I had a lot of GI Joe stuff as a child - but that toy line was actually known as "Action Force" here in Germany (and the rest of Europe, I think).
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Sep 6 2007, 12:11 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
Pfft. G.I. Joe was all about hilarious cobra bad guys and saying "I'll get you next time Joes!" and stuff. Platoon is all about seriously confusing editing and bad dudes shooting at you you cannot see and fear and stuff. In all seriousness though I think the saturday morning cartoon series is a more common cultural touchstone on the subject. Totally opposite ends of the spectrum. |
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Sep 6 2007, 12:52 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
When I was a little kid my parents never let me watch GI Joe, fearing that it was military propaganda. Both my mom and my dad held extremely negative views towards military service. My dad was a little kid in Japan during World War II so his most formative experience with the military was the Japanese Imperial Army; I've even seen old photos of paternal relatives of mine from that time period with their katana and such. The only thing my mom ever told me about the Vietnam War was how young men she knew from art school came back addicted to heroin and utterly destroyed. They both reacted very emotionally when I had to sign up for that selective service thingie.
So, for a long time, I never understood the awesomeness that is the show GI Joe. Until I read these articles: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/feature-ar...orld-war-an.php |
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Sep 6 2007, 06:32 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
What? Pfft, no way. That guy's just some loonie in a black hood. What sort of Cobra madman would run around all by himself? No, no, no. He's got it all backwards. The strength of Cobra lies not in quality alone, but in quantity. We don't call our costumes "costumes," they're uniforms! Yay conformity! Yay swarms of evil-doers! Yay, more people to hide behind when the shooting starts! Nope, that guy's not one of us. The Cobra 21st Infantry members are far more likely to be found traveling in packs, for starters (this shot is about half of us that were at D*Con). A single Cobra soldier waltzing around by himself is just asking for trouble. Our strength lies in numbers! ;) A couple years ago we even headed up the D*Con parade. Plus? We've got cheerleaders to help with recruitment. Who can argue with cheerleaders? |
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Sep 6 2007, 12:22 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Crit, which one's you in the pic?
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Sep 6 2007, 12:28 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
The one in the middle, with the mask and hat? ;)
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Sep 6 2007, 01:56 PM
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ghostrider Group: Retired Admins Posts: 4,196 Joined: 16-May 04 Member No.: 6,333 |
That's pretty sweet. :)
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Sep 6 2007, 09:49 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
...so awesome. Now I really wish I could watch the old cartoons. :(
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Sep 6 2007, 10:39 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
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Sep 6 2007, 11:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
My terrible Micronesian internet connection. That being said I'll still try and load a few up. Thanks for the link. I can hardly wait to try and sample this forbidden fruit which my parents tried so hard to defend me from back when I was a little kid. |
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Sep 7 2007, 05:02 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Under the pic linked to with "packs," I'm the one on the far right (as you look at the image). The one with his finger on the trigger guard, rather than on the trigger, for anyone used to looking for that sort of thing. Most of our pictures from this year (to the tune of ~800 or so, last I checked) aren't on-line yet. They're all sitting on my wife's laptop, slowly but surely being renamed, resized, turned right-side-up, etc, etc. The stuff I'm finding on-line so far is either old stuff (on the Cobra Cares website) or random photos from other con-goers that we've found on flickr and junk. But, anyways. Yeah. I like to think that, if nothing else, such photographs show just what scale of GI Joe geeks my friends and I are, and as such how much attention we've been paying to all the rumors of the upcoming film. And y'all can't even see the temporary tattoos or stickers or anything else we've ahd made on photos this size. Or the "CBRA 21" vanity plate one of my buddies has. Or the actual tattoo another guy has. |
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Sep 7 2007, 05:04 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Then why haven't you said something about it before now? :P :)
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Sep 7 2007, 05:09 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
'Cause I wasn't sure what the GI Joe flick had to do with gaming, I guess? |
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Sep 7 2007, 05:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Well, it has guns ... that's less tenuous than some other connections we've both seen. :D
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Sep 7 2007, 05:23 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
@ Crit - awesome man. GI Joe and general gaming connections? Get hyzmarca or WOunded Ronin started on it. I'd love to see Cobra Commander stats.
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Sep 7 2007, 05:23 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
And code names. And ninjas!
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