 Buying a host, Is it possible? |
 Dec 2 2003, 10:30 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032  |
Anybody know how much it'd cost to get my very own Red-12 host? Also: How large is a host? Is it possible to steal one?
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Dec 2 2003, 11:01 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'd personally say that a Host is probably akin to a modern-day server room. So yes, you can steal one if you've got a few trucks, a group of friends, and some hand carts (or Trolls).
As for cost, there's no canon number. I'd say a LOT. There was a thread discussing this a month or two back, IIRC. ~J |
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Dec 2 2003, 11:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Worcester, MA Member No.: 5,621 |
I do know that there is a bit of talking about supercomputers and mainframes in M&M in the Nanotech section. It talks about costs for a computer capable of running the SK and programming the nano-factories.
I believe the old VR 2.0 book had notes in the programming section about how much it cost to rent time on a mainframe or host to do programming. I think there was some small mention about purchasing as well, but don't quote me. I'd provide page numbers and such, but a friend is borrowing M&M, and I can't find VR 2.0 right now. |
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Dec 2 2003, 11:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
Indeed. Some highlights from that thread: VR2.0 listed Mainframes as 5,000,000 NuYen times their security value. A couple canon sources mentioned that the "servers" running the host could be located throughout the world, not necessarily at one spot. Others suggested that much of the costs would be in the necessary support for the mainframes. |
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Dec 2 2003, 11:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
Canon: pg. 79, Matrix "The typical charge for one day of programming is equal to the host's Security Value x 100 :nuyen: ." Non-Canon: If we did a little creative application of lifestyle rules we could multiply the daily cost for 30 for a monthly cost and then multiply it by 100 to make it permanent as is done with lifestyles. i.e. a R6 host costs 600 :nuyen: /day, 18,000 :nuyen: /month, or 1,800,000 :nuyen: for a "permanant lifestyle" of using that mainframe. [edit]This would only give you a permanent spot to use on someone else's mainframe to act as your own host. You wouldn't necessarily own the mainframe(s).[/edit] |
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Dec 3 2003, 12:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 745 Joined: 26-July 03 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 5,029 |
Y'know--and call me morbid if you like--the first thing I thought of when I read the header for this thread was, "Buy? Don't the bugs usually just take hosts?"
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Dec 3 2003, 12:17 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,965 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Edinburgh, Scotland Member No.: 2,032 |
Ah. Does VR2.0 have anything about how much memory you can expect hosts to have?
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Dec 3 2003, 12:45 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 108 Joined: 15-September 03 From: Worcester, MA Member No.: 5,621 |
I think that you could assume hosts to have, effectively, an infinate amount of storage memory. Yes, there is a limit, but I think it would be so big as to not matter.
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Dec 3 2003, 12:46 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
To the average decker, or even FastJack, probably.
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Dec 3 2003, 12:50 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Once you start getting multiple programs rated 14+ it might be time to start keeping track, but still.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 12:53 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
So it would be a problem with fast jack then :D :P |
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Dec 3 2003, 12:54 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
Curse my total lack of decker knowledge and my insistence on posting about things I know nothing about!
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Dec 3 2003, 01:11 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I wonder how many years it's been since FastJack ever had to make a system test against a TN above 2.
Well, probably when he was dealing with the ZOG. Curse those bandwidth restrictions! ~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 01:15 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Probably when bitch-slapping Bash. |
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Dec 3 2003, 01:27 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Hmm he seemed too strain a tinny bit when dealing with the banded Otaku that invaded Shadowland, and even he couldn't stay online when megera went psycho
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Dec 3 2003, 01:38 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Megaera rewrites the rules around her. I don't think she counts.
~J |
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Dec 3 2003, 02:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
hosts in my game are about the size of a modern-day desktop. compared to SR's base computers, that's massive, especially when you consider that they really don't need to devote a whole lot of room to cooling systems (optical computing tends to produce much less waste heat). the only thing that might require more space is storage memory--but even then, i really can't see a single host taking up an entire room. now, if you're talking about a host farm, or some kind of Matrixspace service with a ten thousand-count userbase, or the AEP, sure. but not a single host for a single business.
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Dec 3 2003, 03:40 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,512 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Northampton Member No.: 5,499 |
Oh i agree totally, I was just pointing out that as good as fast jack is (and he is that good) there are somethings he can't do. Not that the pc's should be able to effect him in that way. Side note: As a decker dodger ain't that good really. (still a cool character though) Just waiting for the day my Otaku becomes the Otaku equivalent of fast jack..... |
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Dec 3 2003, 03:58 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Dodger is good, but not amazing. He just has the right girlfriend.
But yes, FastJack isn't the be-all-end-all. Well, he is, but it takes a little work ;) ~J |
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Oct 10 2005, 02:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
Yoik - and the ancient thread resurfaces...
I hope I haven't just breached some major netiquette rule here by raising up an old topic like this but... that five million per rating point seems a bit harsh to me - Many MSPs provide a personal blue host for its customers - at a few bucks a month?? maybe for Red Hosts. Anyone seen any rules (even house rules) for this ANYwhere? Got my own ideas but would like to compare and contrast, as it were. TiA Spotlite |
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Oct 10 2005, 08:59 PM
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Mr. Johnson Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,587 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Berkeley, CA Member No.: 7,014 |
Probably because they are Blue Host VMs on a much more robust Red or Orange server. |
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Oct 11 2005, 02:49 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 279 Joined: 21-March 05 From: Freeport NY Member No.: 7,205 |
Looking at the modern interweb, I would argue that the quality of a host is not necessarily a derivation of its hardware but rather its software. The way I'd do things is to follow the rules for buying a lot of MP of data and suppliment it with some sort of "software cost."
A red level host or, gasp, ultraviolet would require an enormous amount of software to protect the hardware from outside access. |
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Oct 11 2005, 06:48 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 165 Joined: 30-September 04 Member No.: 6,715 |
Blue-4 (Typcial Telecom) Green-4 (Public Dataterm) It doesn't give prices, but lets assume a base of 15k. Then lets assume that the next security level up is x2 the previous cost. So ... Blue - 15k Green - 30k Orange - 60k Red - 120k
Obviously, you don't need a mainframe to have a host. Not if you assume everyone in a Medium residence or up has one acting as their telecom. (As a side note, a pernament Luxury lifestyle is 10 million, twice the cost of a basic telecom if you use mainframe prices)
Mainframes are designed for a large amount of users - keep in mind Target Matrix lists KE Seattle (So a branch office) has an Orange level host, which if they had a VR2 mainframe would end up being 15 million. |
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Oct 11 2005, 08:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
He's also an Immortal Elf. |
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Oct 11 2005, 09:51 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Dodger is not an Immortal Elf. He is a Spike Baby, though.
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