 My car doesn't drive in the rain, Vehicle rules |
 Jan 27 2004, 05:49 AM
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Senior GM  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442  |
So my wired Samurai, with Reaction 13, gets a call to rush to the aid of the team.
Jumping in his Eurocar Westwind (Handling 3), in the Alley behind his house (Tight Terrain +3), on one of those rare Seattle days where it's raining hard (Bad Weather +2), he quickly starts the engine and tries to step on the gas. Since this is urgent but not critical, the GM assigns a Stressful Situation penalty of +0 to the test. The TN for his accelleration test before defaulting to Reaction appears to be 8. Therefore he's unable to default to Reaction (Limits on Defaulting, SR3 p. 85). Therefore he can't move the car. Apparently he either has to wait for the rain to let up, or drive to the Stuffer Shack for a Pepsi before going to the aid of his team. |
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Jan 27 2004, 05:52 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
right, except that normal driving doesn't require any tests. if you want to try any stunts, you'll automatically fail, but just driving around town isn't test-worthy. i'm 99.9% sure that you can find this written down somewhere.
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Jan 27 2004, 06:04 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
Yeah, I'd probably rule that he stalled the car by slamming on the gas so fast. Try driving normally. Don't try to be the Dukes of Hazzard when you have no vehicle skills. :)
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Jan 27 2004, 06:24 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Remember that being unable to default doesn't so much mean you can't try as you have no hope of succeeding. For instance, I'd let someone without Pistols skill fire as many shots as they wanted at a target off in the distance (TN 9), I'd just never bother rolling for it because all it would ever do is just use up bullets. You can drive in the rain, you just can't drive in directions that don't happen to be into some object.
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Jan 27 2004, 07:53 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
SR3 pg 134, first sentence. you don't need to make driving tests for normal driving.
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Jan 27 2004, 04:45 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That's very true. I had assumed that there was some other issue requiring the test.
Out of interest, how would going for the pepsi help? ~J |
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Jan 27 2004, 04:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I have no idea. Except if it's the NEW PEPSI X ENERGY DRINK!!!!11122oneoneonetwo in which case it will help you get lots of hot model chicks.
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Jan 27 2004, 05:40 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Jooky! It's a party in a can!
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Jan 27 2004, 07:19 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
Going for the Pepsi is normal driving, no test required. I can park on the street while going into the Stuffer Shack. When I come out to rush to the aid of my team I have the +1 Restricted Terrain instead of the +3 Tight Terrain and then I can default. As long as no one is shooting (Combat +2) I can step on the gas, and even exceed the speed limit. After all, they are dying without me.
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Jan 27 2004, 07:26 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
How about this: if youre going to drop the necessary cash to get a Eurocar Westwind, and team is going to rely on your speedy arrivals to save their skins, how about you get some actual skill in driving a car?
I dont think its unreasonable to expect you to crash when youve apparently never taken the time to learn how to drive and you intend to be driving really quickly in the rain. |
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Jan 27 2004, 07:34 PM
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Senior GM Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,406 Joined: 12-April 03 From: Redmond, WA Member No.: 4,442 |
I can't crash. It doesn't accelerate enough to crash. I either flood the engine, stall the engine when I shift, or spin the tires, but the car doesn't move. I can not attempt the Accelleration Test, so I don't speed up.
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Jan 27 2004, 07:39 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
No, because as previously mentioned unless the act of pulling out of the alley is somehow strenuous and unusual enough to require a test you are assumed to succeed automatically. It's like firing a gun. It doesn't matter if you're in full darkness with no vision mods, you can still pull the trigger; you only have to roll for it if you want to do something difficult, like hitting someone or something.
~J |
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Jan 27 2004, 07:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
I don't have my books handy at the moment... do the suppressing fire rules in CC require a skill test?
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Jan 27 2004, 08:04 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
Not at first. First people in the area of effect make dodge tests. If they fail, *then* you get to make a normal attack test.
So I guess suppressing fire from an unskilled person isn't really going to hit, so much. But I'd say most of the TN mods for taking the shot directly - movement, lighting, etc - wouldn't apply to this one. No books handy so this is off the top of my head. |
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Jan 27 2004, 08:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 675 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 2,034 |
Heh this is great. You have to calm down and drive normally. You may want to speed, but if you do you will automatically fail. Your choice as a roleplay thing. :) Its just like trying to unlock your door with a killer behind you. |
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Jan 28 2004, 12:46 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
D'oh! You forgot to put the car in gear. Take a deep breath, pull into the street like a normal driver before trying to burn rubber, chummer.
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Jan 28 2004, 03:16 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
You're all missing the real point. And that is..... drum roll please.....
Why isn't the Wired Sam flying dow nthe street on a bad ass black on black race bike? But then again why Doesn't the same have a vehicle skill? I always make sure to have at least a mild vehicle skill so I can get the hell out of dodge when Murphy's Law hits the fan. HAHA sorry I'm in a silly mood tonight. Peace out my shadow brothers. Oops almost forgot About hte killer and unlocking doors thats why I never lock my doors I figure the one time I worry about my stereo getting stolen will be the one time that Ted Bundy is chasing me to my car... so better safe than worry about a crappy sound system....... |
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Jan 28 2004, 03:17 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
IMO speeding is driving normally. Here in New York we all like to feel like the most aggressive motherfuckers anywhere behind a wheel, so I let quite a bit slide under "normal driving". Going over medians (especially when you're just a few feet past the damn exit ramp), bullying cabbies into curbs, pinning them behind parked cars, and cutting off semis aren't rare events when I'm on the road.
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Jan 28 2004, 03:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 5-March 03 From: Wouldn't you like to know? Member No.: 4,203 |
HAHA Zazan don't go thinking that you are all badasses in NY . COme to Chicago some time and do the loop run at rush hour. Makes the war in cambodia look like a circus carnival.
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Jan 28 2004, 03:33 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Rereading the original post, we've missed yet another point. Defaulting is forbidden for TNs over 8. The wired streetsam defaults to Reaction just fine. Gets a success about a third of the time, but still can default.
And regarding driving, I have but one word for you both: Boston. ~J |
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Jan 28 2004, 03:43 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 12-February 03 Member No.: 4,083 |
:eek: Dear sweet Lord! That's why I'd never go to New York. |
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Jan 28 2004, 03:55 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 400 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 825 |
With a Reaction of 13 he should pretty much be succeeding on every try.
Oh hell, Boston's not all that bad. You just gotta drive like you mean it. Dunno, maybe my driving temperament is best suited to it. I'm living in the more rural Hartford area (only for the next couple years or so, then I'm back to Beantown), and have almost gotten into more accidents here in a year and a half than I ever did in Boston. You see, people are crappy drivers here and in Boston, it's just that in Boston, it's a predictable crappy. Outside the city, people do completely random shit. |
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Jan 28 2004, 04:00 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,049 Joined: 24-March 03 Member No.: 4,323 |
While I didnt really feel like working out the math, I did have some dice handy so I went ahead and rolled 13 dice 20 times. On 5 of those rolls I generated at least one success at TN 12 (remember, thats TN 8 *before* defaulting to reaction... defaulting to an attribute adds +4 to the TN).
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Jan 28 2004, 04:13 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,685 Joined: 17-August 02 Member No.: 3,123 |
My quick math shows that he'll succeed only 30.6% of the time.
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Jan 28 2004, 04:27 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
When you say "should" do you mean "should reasonably" or "should probably"? The former is accurate and is reflected by the fact that we've all been saying that if what he told us is all there is, it shouldn't have been a test in the first place. The latter, on the other hand, is inaccurate. (Thanks to Zazen for the more accurate number; my estimate was off by 2.7333%)
~J |
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