 Just noticed..., A spirit oddity? |
 Jan 29 2010, 02:30 PM
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Great Dragon  Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652  |
QUOTE (p178-179 SR4) Note that since the test to learn a new spell is not based on Magic, the magician suff ers no penalty to her dice pool for having a bound spirit present. Did I miss a rule where having a bound spirit around lowers your magic by 1 or something? |
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Jan 29 2010, 02:35 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
Likely it was something that was removed elsewhere and this wasn't caught.
In either case though: interesting. |
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Jan 29 2010, 02:38 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 9-December 09 Member No.: 17,955 |
Maybe it is a reference to the optional rule in the sidebar on p.187 SR4A?
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Jan 29 2010, 02:43 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
This text doesn't appear in SR4A (it simply says that bound spirits may add dice) but it may be referring to what appears in a side bar in the Conjuring section (Bound Spirits, p.187 SR4A). There it suggests that should a bound spirit have reason to be boisterous or uncooperative (e.g. the summoner keeps putting him at risk) then the summoner suffers a -2 to his DPs like when sustaining a spell.
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Jan 29 2010, 06:52 PM
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The back-up plan Group: Retired Admins Posts: 8,423 Joined: 15-January 03 From: San Diego Member No.: 3,910 |
That line is from SR4, and was listed in the Errata LINK. If I recall correctly it was fixed in the second or third Printing. All of the errata was included in the Anniversary printing which is why it is not found in SR4A.
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Jan 30 2010, 01:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Brazil Member No.: 15,955 |
By the way, wasn't Karma needed to bind a spirit? I thought i looked it somewhere, but when i looked at SR4a, found no trace of it.
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Jan 30 2010, 01:41 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,679 Joined: 19-September 09 Member No.: 17,652 |
QUOTE (Garou @ Jan 29 2010, 08:30 PM)  By the way, wasn't Karma needed to bind a spirit? I thought i looked it somewhere, but when i looked at SR4a, found no trace of it. Only if you are buying spirit services as part of karmagen. The other thing you might be thinking about is spirit pacts, which are entirely different. |
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Jan 30 2010, 01:53 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 4-May 08 From: Brazil Member No.: 15,955 |
QUOTE (Karoline @ Jan 30 2010, 01:41 AM) Only if you are buying spirit services as part of karmagen. The other thing you might be thinking about is spirit pacts, which are entirely different. Okay, thanks! |
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Jan 30 2010, 05:28 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
there is also long-term binding, which lasts for a year and a day iirc but gets you a spirit which will do one service for the full time (ie, if the service is "provide magical defense to anyone in this area" the service will do that for the full time).
it costs (iirc) 1 karma per point of spirit force. |
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Jan 30 2010, 06:28 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
In the basic SR4 book, the sidebar they are talking about is on page 178. The text you are talking about was removed because if you use the optional rule from the sidebar, it very clearly states that the mage has a -2 penalty to all tests.
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Jan 30 2010, 06:24 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Glyph @ Jan 29 2010, 11:28 PM) In the basic SR4 book, the sidebar they are talking about is on page 178. The text you are talking about was removed because if you use the optional rule from the sidebar, it very clearly states that the mage has a -2 penalty to all tests. Which makes sense if you were trying to do things while controlling a recalcitrant spirit... we use that optional rule from time to time (when the mage "abuses" his spirits)... It is on page 187 of SR4A... under the Bound Spirits Sidebar... Keep the Faith |
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