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 Mar 15 2005, 08:16 PM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024  |
I know you guys aren't going to release a whole lot of specific rules-related info, but can we get a list of the folks who participated/are participating in the writing of the new edition?
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Mar 15 2005, 08:10 PM
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Chicago Survivor Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,079 Joined: 28-January 04 From: Canton, GA Member No.: 6,033 |
That might be a bad idea, as those folks are likely working hard. Given the collective computer ability on DS, it wouldn't be long before they were being bugged for information, embittering them.
I'd rather they remain sheltered until the first publication. |
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Mar 15 2005, 08:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Also.. Such short notice mean that us poor artists and such can't get in on the fun? T_T
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Mar 15 2005, 08:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
But if we don't know who is writing, how will I know who to bribe to get my name into some shadowtalk?
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Mar 15 2005, 08:27 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
I wasn't planning on bothering anyone, just curious :)
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Mar 15 2005, 08:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740 |
Look! I'm back on Dumpshock! I can blackmail you with old logs again! |
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Mar 15 2005, 08:22 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,088 Joined: 8-October 04 From: Dallas, TX Member No.: 6,734 |
Heh...if they're looking for random people for shadowtalk, they're welcome to my nick...*hopeful look around*
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Mar 15 2005, 10:00 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
Or mine. New shadow commentators for a new edition, right, guys?
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Mar 15 2005, 09:58 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 |
Sweet.
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Mar 16 2005, 12:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 3-July 02 Member No.: 2,929 |
Uh, Kagetenshi already posted it a long time ago. Besides, that PC was unrelated to my name, which I'd love to see in print :love: ( :nuyen: ) :love: |
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Mar 16 2005, 03:59 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I think most of it is written by now and the editors are chopping away, the release date if gencon and this will be a major release so i assume they will make damn sure they have it in time. I also expect as the core rule book they will have very little in the way of shadow talk.
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Mar 16 2005, 04:14 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
Yes, who are the victims...Uhm I mean responsible parties....I never said political prisoners... 8)
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Mar 16 2005, 07:43 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 265 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bangkok (sometimes Paris) Member No.: 332 |
Rules are rules. There never has been Shadowtalk in a SR base book. I don't think you'll see any in the next one.
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Mar 16 2005, 10:46 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 321 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Germany/Europe/Terra/Sol Member No.: 684 |
Wrong, to a degree. :-)
SR3s opening had shadowtalk, even if it was Cpt. Chaos. But in the race-section there was even more. It was no discussion, but it was Shadowtalk. And if they do this race-thing again, I wouldn't mind narrating the Orcs. :) |
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Mar 16 2005, 11:42 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 6-August 03 From: Polish Ghetto Member No.: 5,342 |
mi tu :D |
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Mar 18 2005, 04:30 AM
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If I see either Stephen Kenson's or Mike Mulvihill's names in this core book, I will set it on fire.
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Mar 18 2005, 04:25 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
I would suspect that you may want matches, then. |
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Mar 18 2005, 04:44 AM
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No. My blind fury is powerful enough for ignition.
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Mar 18 2005, 05:01 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
mine sucks though |
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Mar 18 2005, 08:49 AM
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Seriously. Any sense of optimism for SR4 I had for the last two and a half days has gone straight out the window. If those two are involved, I will not buy the core book, and I probably won't bother continuing to play SR because it's their crap in SR3 that I was specifically hoping to avoid with a new edition.
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Mar 18 2005, 08:49 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Hey, they used "Tupac" once. There's still a chance! |
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Mar 18 2005, 09:01 AM
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Yeah. I love how they took 20 years of hip-hop history and turned it into 6 months of craptacular ork chic.
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Mar 18 2005, 09:25 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Kinda touchy lately aren't we?
Got the SR4 blues? |
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Mar 18 2005, 09:22 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
What, did you just now start reading CD's posts? It's not like he's only like this in the last few days, or something.
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Mar 18 2005, 09:32 AM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Good point. I usually enjoy it.
Maybe I'm the one feeling touchy. |
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Mar 18 2005, 10:08 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
Crimson, all I'm gonna say is, if you've liked the last few books you should be giving us the benefit of the doubt.
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Mar 18 2005, 12:28 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 13 Joined: 18-March 05 Member No.: 7,186 |
I think the recent source material has been great.
I just hope that this expensive new HC rulebook wont need 20pages of errata! Spend the extra time and hire someone to proof read it! |
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Mar 18 2005, 12:31 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 2,009 |
To come back to the topic title:
Any bets who of the regular dumpshockers is involved and won't/can't/mustn't tell? |
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Mar 18 2005, 02:18 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Funny thing is, I see that as realistic. Hell, the recording industry now is trying to turn the history of hip-hop into craptacular chic. ;) |
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Mar 18 2005, 05:21 PM
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Sorry Synner, but this is a non-negotiable point. |
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Mar 18 2005, 06:07 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,453 Joined: 17-September 04 From: St. Paul Member No.: 6,675 |
We all are! Its a huge secret. 8) |
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Mar 18 2005, 07:04 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
Curiosity compels me to ask: Why? |
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Mar 18 2005, 07:05 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
Well, I'm playtesting it and throwing some additional material into the mix. Have no idea what my credit will read like, though. Probably just "playtester." |
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Mar 18 2005, 07:27 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
mulvihill made SURGE, and also that fantastic explanation for what essence is and how it works. kenson just writes poor rules, in my experience, and pushes SR in directions i don't wish it to go.
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Mar 18 2005, 07:25 PM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
He also writes fairly ridiculous novels. Don't forget those.
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Mar 18 2005, 08:55 PM
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They are the most awful writers of SR material (non-novels) I have encountered throughout my time playing all three editions of Shadowrun, but to sum up: Mike has poor ideas and a poor writing style, and Stephen is simply put a poor writer. Between the two of them, I've had more than enough of taking it up the ass while playing this game, and like I said--my enthusiasm about SR4 stems directly from my hope that I wouldn't have to put up with either of them or their shit anymore. But if that's not the case, which is the impression I'm getting since no one around here is willing or able to say whether they are involved, why should I bother? I keep thinking in my mind that to stick with another edition of SR tainted by them is like sticking with an abusive spouse--stupid, and very painful. I love this game. It's the only game I've played, and I've stuck with it longer than literally anything else in my life, but this is just insane. |
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Mar 18 2005, 09:26 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Well, I can say that I'm not involved. Well, not yet. I might try to do some playtesting and maybe see if I can get any input anywhere, but I'm definitely not one of the people who has been working on it for the past year.
But then again, I'm not much of a rules person. In my opinion, it's probably better the rules aren't in my hands. I think the otaku rules in Matrix are the most I've ever done when it comes to mechanics. I have more fun with the setting stuff. Though I'd love to write some flavor text to for SR4, but like most of the main rule books, it'll be mostly rules, probably. |
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Mar 18 2005, 09:22 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,458 Joined: 22-March 03 From: I am a figment of my own imagination. Member No.: 4,302 |
<- The new Captain Chaos.... :D
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Mar 18 2005, 09:57 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
Not quite sure how to respond to that one, CD, since I don't agree with you on much of it. While we're not close, I do consider both of them friends, and I happen to like Steve's writing and most of Mike's ideas. I do appreciate that you kept it civil.
I don't think I'm violating anything when I tell you that I don't believe I've seen Mike's name on the playtest list at all; I don't believe his day job allows him much time to freelance on projects like this one (last I heard, he was still working for WizKids Games full time). I have seen Steve's name on the list, but I don' t know in what capacity he's involved. What with his dayjob at Green Ronin, I don't know how much he's going to be able to do besides just playtest. |
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| Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_* |
Mar 18 2005, 10:29 PM
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Great...
But at this point, I just don't care anymore. |
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Mar 18 2005, 10:49 PM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I don't think having those that wrote the rules participating in playtesting is a good idea. In fact, it's a horrible idea. As bad letting them edit their own work only easier to solve.
Playtesters have to all but hate the game and at least the developers. |
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Mar 19 2005, 12:07 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,001 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Michigan Member No.: 1,514 |
I am not I'd agree with anything CD2.0 has said, but man I have loved how he's said it! Dude I haven't laughed out loud like this in a while.
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Mar 19 2005, 12:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Maybe they can dig up Nigel Findley and collect genetic material for a legion of rapidly developed clones and it will be wonderful. But realistically I'd expect a mix of good ideas and bad ideas and a somewhat mixed view of where the game should go. Of course we could get some funky mix of cybergeneration meets forgotten realms but I suspect not.
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Mar 19 2005, 12:56 AM
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Beetle Eater Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 |
I'm more hoping for a mix of Shadowrun and the future, the real future. But we'll see, eh?
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Mar 19 2005, 12:56 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
I'd be for that too but IMHO that would likely require an extensive reboot like a Ultimates versions of Shadowrun (likely based on a revamped timeline around 2050 again) |
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Mar 19 2005, 02:00 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
Well, I won't bother telling you then, that, unless I'm mistaken, Steve and Mike aren't directly working on the book. |
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Mar 19 2005, 04:24 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 11,410 Joined: 1-October 03 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 5,670 |
you know, this SR4 stuff is a real rollercoaster.
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Mar 19 2005, 07:26 AM
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Well, gee, thanks. I think the adage, "It's nothing personal, just business" applies not just to this case, but to everything related to SR. It's not like I dislike them as people, or wish them harm. I've never met them, know little to nothing about them, and frankly, I don't care. My gripe is with their work product. What I don't understand is why you felt the need to actually mention it. Anyway, I got your and Adam's comments. Fine. Good news for me. But considering how much the very idea of it upset me, and it did, I shall refrain from thinking about this any further. |
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Mar 19 2005, 07:35 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 |
So, you got the news you want, and it still upsets you?
I'm confused. :) |
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Mar 19 2005, 07:37 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It's somewhat like finding out that there is not in fact a slug in your porridge. Sure it's good news, but it doesn't mean you're going to be in a rush to finish the porridge.
~J |
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Mar 19 2005, 07:48 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
But it beats finding half a slug in there.
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Mar 19 2005, 10:15 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,978 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New Jersey, USA Member No.: 500 |
I gotta remember that analogy. Just brilliant. :) |
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Mar 19 2005, 10:20 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,078 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 67 |
Writing comes with criticism. It's just part and parcel of the gig. It's nice if it's civil, but even when dealing with professionals in the writing business, that's not always the case. I'd rather it's at least constructive if it's not going to be civil. So at least that way I can learn something! :D
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Mar 19 2005, 10:38 PM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
...maybe they hired Master Shake :(
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Mar 19 2005, 10:49 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,901 Joined: 19-June 03 Member No.: 4,775 |
That's like finding out porridge is made from slugs.
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Mar 19 2005, 11:27 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
:dead:
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Mar 20 2005, 12:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 118 Joined: 20-June 04 Member No.: 6,423 |
Heh. I was just thinking: what if Mike Pondsmith is involved with SR4?
I remember talking to him at a Gencon long time ago and he had a friendly rivalry with Weisman and FASA over Cyberpunk-Shadowrun, and even expressed sympathy to them about the Sterling comment ("SR makes me want to vomit") in The Hacker Crackdown. Pondsmith worked under Weisman from time to time at Microsoft (the most famous being the Puppetmasters in the Beast, the tie-in Alternative Reality Game for A.I.), and worked on one of the Crimson Skies games. |
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Mar 21 2005, 06:14 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,012 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
That would be awesome. Just think, Shadowrun could be the first RPG where the developer's say rivals War and Peace in each book. ~J |
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Mar 21 2005, 02:33 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Not going to happen because the people who have been not so confidently waiting ages for Cyberpunk 2030 would hunt him down and hurt him if he worked on getting thing else out the door. |
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