 How old is your Troll?, Mine will be drawing pension |
 Mar 29 2005, 12:46 PM
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It's for winners  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067  |
Ok, Five years in the future you say but for the likes of me who has a troll that has survived, she is well on the way to retirement in Bubber's rest home for the aged and deranged. So whats the deal on life expectancy? are Trolls the only short lived drek on the planet? I have developed a fond attachment to my character over many run's and would hate to have her die of old age! (might have to go out in a blaze of glory!) But joking aside, born in 2035 would make her 35 in 2070 and unless I am mistaken 40 is the average life expectancy for a troll?? What can be done to enhance age expectancy and prolong life...... has anyone invented the elixir of life by any chance?? :P torz x :D |
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Mar 29 2005, 12:52 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
There's Leonisation, but that's grimly, grimly expensive. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head.
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Mar 29 2005, 12:46 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
Tell me more!......... ;)
torz x |
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Mar 29 2005, 01:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,011 Joined: 15-February 05 From: Montréal, QC, Canada Member No.: 7,087 |
I'm guessing part of the life expantancy of the Troll is due to poverty and lifestyle.
There are places in the world where people have 40 years of life expectancy too (in Africa, mostly). Leonization is a rejuvenation genetech. See M&M. |
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Mar 29 2005, 01:18 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 91 Joined: 23-January 05 From: Washington, DC Member No.: 7,007 |
SOTA 2063 has the specifics on Leonization. It is a gene therapy that returns your character back to her early twenties. However, it costs a lot in both bio index and nuyen.
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Mar 29 2005, 01:43 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Keep in mind that SR doesn't have a "maximum age" like DnD. Your troll could live much longer than the average troll by dint of hardiness, good diet, medical care, or not getting shot. Alternateively, you could live in a gutter and get your throat slit by some punk elf while you're drinking a soybeer.
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Mar 29 2005, 01:51 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 7,259 |
Yay my first post!!
I've always felt sorry for trolls and orcs in the life expactancy bit, most are past middle age before they can legally drink (not that obeying the law is a major concern for your average runner.) I can understand why trolls only live for around 50, what with their size and all, but why do orcs live for only about 40? Does it take into account their most likely living conditions? |
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Mar 29 2005, 02:04 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294 |
There are always exceptions to the norm, but I expect a troll would start to get some major problems health-wise beyond their fifties, given the average lifespan.
EDIT: IIRC, orks birth in litters of between five and eight, some insane number like that. If orks lived as long as humans, they'd overrun the planet pretty quicksmart. So my money's on it being an evoutionary survival mechanism. Shorter life-span = less babies = no green tide of orksrolling across the planet. |
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Mar 29 2005, 02:16 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Was your troll born a troll or did (s)he goblinize? If (s)he's a goblin, then the lifespan is on par with that of a normal human living in the same conditions. At least if you want to stick to outdated canonical material on the subject -- I don't recall life expectencies really ever being mentioned in 3rd Edition, though (as usual) I could be horribly mistaking.
Me, I almost always play older characters anyway. 40 is my starting age in most cases. :) I just dig that whole "I'm getting too old for this..." vibe. A 40+-year-old troll is right up my alley. Hell, the Troll Mercenary archetype picture is a great one to use for an older troll. :) In the end, it's just a number on your sheet for flavor purposes. It has zero impact on anything important other than roleplaying concerns. |
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Mar 29 2005, 02:28 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 17 Joined: 29-March 05 Member No.: 7,259 |
Would the merc's name be Murtaugh and is he only three days from retirement?
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Mar 29 2005, 02:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 187 Joined: 30-April 04 Member No.: 6,294 |
Erm. I think it was in Captain Chaos' rant at the start of the 3rd Ed book. I don't have mine on me, so I could be wrong. Try looking in that sensitivity training manual bit. I think it's there.
I played a 90 year old human once. Damned phys-ad punched him in the chest and stopped his heart. |
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Mar 29 2005, 02:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
I don't have SOTA63, but the old Shadowtech version ran to 2.8 million nuyen per treatment and returned you to a physical age of around 21 for a human (the exact quote was "prime of health and youth").
In Shadowtech, it didn't impact BI or Essence. What's the change in SOTA63, then? |
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Mar 29 2005, 03:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
In SR3 the average life expectancy for trolls is 50 years. It's 55 years for humans. Of course, it hasn't been 50 years since the first trolls goblinized, so at best that 50 years is an estimate. |
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Mar 29 2005, 03:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
No more so than a human older than 55.
They backed off of that ludicrous number in 3rd edition. It would require that 40-50% of the population worldwide be orks. Or that there's been a decades long worldwide plan of genocide against orks, resulting in the death of billions. Not to mention a species routinely giving birth to a minimum of twice as many babies as it can nurse makes no sense on any level. The elf population, OTOH, does fit the idea that they give birth in litters of 4-8. :D
If they lived an average of 40 years, they be almost half the population anyway.
No, shorter lifespan = more babies. Compare the breeding rates of rabbits versus horses.
Since orks aren't green, this is correct. |
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Mar 29 2005, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Well technically shorter lifespan isn't neccesarily tied to higher birth rates as higher birth rates are more dependent on duration of sexual maturity, infant mortality, gestation period and incidents of multiple births.
However if you take the 1e orks as gospel then yeah they'd be overrunning the place as 6-8 per litter is pretty interesting (although highly unlikely unless they are significantly different than humans). Even factoring in short lifespans the fact that they reach sexual maturity much earlier than humans would indicate they could pop out a bunch of spawn quite regularly. Personally I kinda like the idea that the 2nd generation have dramatically shorter lifespans as it plays into the depressing nasty brutish and short aspect of thier lifestyle as depicted in the source material. Trolls are different but honestly I can see why they would have significant health problems based upon aging as animals with giant breeds tend to have reduced lifespans in the giants. Of course I'd like for the trolls to be significantly downgraded in terms of size to meet what has by now pretty much been the artistic model of the troll rather than the enormous stature the source material seems to want to indicate. But yeah chances are if you are a 1st wave orc or troll you are geriatric or dead by 2070. Of course the elves have it good (even the ones with the super-dooper 1337 IE genes) of course you could always have your troll be some unexpressed drake ;) |
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Mar 29 2005, 04:18 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Don't I recall the corollary to that high ork birth number being that most of them died in infancy?
hmm, where'd I put SR1..? |
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Mar 29 2005, 04:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Hell if I had 6-8 hungry mouths to feed when I could barely feed myself "culling the herd" would almost certainly be fairly common practice in slums and z-zones. It really would come down to a decision for most orcs do I sacrifice some for the benefit of the remainder or risk losing them all. Considering orc mothers might be making this decision at 10 years of age or so and it becomes even more dire.
Looking at the problem of infant mortality among people in poverty IRL I would think the problem would only be excerbated in orc communities if the SR1 racial blurbs hold true. |
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Mar 29 2005, 04:58 PM
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Karma Police Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,358 Joined: 22-July 04 From: Gothenburg, SE Member No.: 6,505 |
I don´t see any problems with a troll being of good health above 50 years of age. The avarage life spans must be calculated with lifestyle in mind, as others have said. A PC has a good chance of dying, so if the character has survived to that age, so be it.
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Mar 29 2005, 05:18 PM
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Tilting at Windmills Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 |
They're also worldwide averages, not just North American averages. People in North America typically live considerably longer than the worldwide average now, because of conditions. I don't see why this would change in any way except degree.
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Mar 29 2005, 05:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Unless you take a gritty view of the world and just assume that in large sections of the undeveloped world metahuman births are routinely killed at birth as abominations. Personally I take that as a major reason why the metahumans commonly depicted in the setting pretty much come from european traditions. But that's just me trying to make the expression of standard fantasy races fit a multiethnic world. Of course you could also use the concept ( I think this found it's way into one of the older sourcebooks that place effects the expression of metatype). |
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Mar 29 2005, 07:24 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
I new about multiple births in the ork population but what is it for trolls? I don't think I have ever read anything about them, I mean it might be the time for Brindell to settle down and start a family???
Bwhahaha I don't think so but it would be nice to know! Edit: yes I saw my mess up with the age of 40 not 50 Brindell was born troll torz x :D |
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Mar 30 2005, 02:22 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 276 Joined: 29-September 02 Member No.: 3,348 |
The problem is, to get the existing population figures absolutely every ork mother across the entire world would have to eliminate all but one of every single litter. And this pattern of genocide has to have begun in 2021 and continued unbroken since then.
I'm not sure about 1st edition. 2nd edition claimed numbers of four (or occasionally more) children per ork birth. By Threats 2, even Human nation propaganda was claiming only about 2-3 children per ork birth and claiming infant mortality rates of 20% for the first 5 years. Actual population figures from SoNA, SoE, and older products imply orks might produce twins as often as one-sixth of the time with the remainder being single births. |
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Mar 30 2005, 02:41 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Validating Posts: 7,999 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,890 |
Eh, still doesn't really matter in the end. :) Brindell could have been a spike baby troll and still be a viable character if that's what you felt like making him/her. As long as you're having fun, and will have fun, with the concept, that's the only thing that's important. |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:50 PM
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It's for winners Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 523 Joined: 8-February 05 From: Wiltshire with da shooty stuff Member No.: 7,067 |
True but you never think of things like age really, and if you are reaching the end of life as such surely this would affect the characters abilitys??
torz x :) |
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Mar 30 2005, 07:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 468 Joined: 17-March 05 Member No.: 7,185 |
Yes realistically unless you have access to leonization shadowrunning should be a young person's game but unless you have more extensive rules for attribute and skill degradation than most people use there seems to be limited effects of age within the game system although within the fiction it seems to be a common concept.
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