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[Socinus]

What is the state of the anarchist movement in the Sixth World?

I've been combing books but I cant find more than a mouthful from Loose Alliances about groups like Black Star.

Is there any more current material? Any other material PERIOD?

[Iduno]

Although if we just removed everything rooted in the 80's from Shadowrun, we'd end up with d20 modern.

It isn't important for th game to make sense today, it just has to make sense in the game world. The corporations created an oppressive system, and anarchists showed up to oppose that system.

[sk8bcn]

Although if we just removed everything rooted in the 80's from Shadowrun, we'd end up with d20 modern.

It isn't important for th game to make sense today, it just has to make sense in the game world. The corporations created an oppressive system, and anarchists showed up to oppose that system.

You still have to make it evolve. IRL, I don't see Punks anymore. Or at least, very very seldom.

More generally, you have to chose wether your game has a retro flavor (like playing Star Trek in a 70s feeling/Traveller) or be in-time (Eclipse Phase?).

I find it's good that the setting is now divided into SR 2050 and SR4A. The future seen through an 80-90 point of view can only attract mid-30 and more players and not the younger players. That way everyone can pick depending on his taste.

[Sengir]

The future seen through an 80-90 point of view can only attract mid-30 and more players and not the younger players. That way everyone can pick depending on his taste.

How did me and my group end up here, then? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

And IMO the prevalence of Anarchism has less to do with the past when SR was written than with the past where everything depicted in SR (and cyberpunk in general) already existed. Corporations with unlimited power on their turf, privatized law enforcement, workers paid in corp scrip living in corp housing and sending their children to corp schools, all that did exist not too long ago, and it were these conditions which gave rise to ideologies like Communism and various flavours of Anarchism. Now the same conditions are back again, why should the answer be any different?

[sk8bcn]

How did me and my group end up here, then? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Which one you play 2nd ed / 2050? Or 3rd / SR4?

Because I do find that the 80s flavor is fading. I mean, it's not a topic about Sr should be more or less cyberpunk/transhumanist.
It's about Neo-Anarchy and stuff introduced long time ago in the 2050 setting that has disappeared in the 70 setting. The game evolves I find.


"these conditions which gave rise to ideologies like Communism and various flavours of Anarchism. Now the same conditions are back again, why should the answer be any different?"

But nowadays they shifted to alter-mondialism and ideologies like that.

I don't see many anarchists-ideologies anymore. Neither do I see many occidental wish to shift toward communism.


Some basics can remain. But not remain those that were developped in the 90s

[Sengir]

Which one you play 2nd ed / 2050? Or 3rd / SR4?

Mostly 4th, but the point is that we play because we like the whole cyberpunk thing, yet none of us is parst 30.

But nowadays they shifted to alter-mondialism and ideologies like that.

Nowadays in the western world, even the crappiest job is a far cry from turn-of-the-century Europe, or the Appalachians ca. 1930...

@Wakshaani: Which of those are Anarchists, exactly? Outside of media coverage which seems to consider "Anarchists" a shorter term for "guys in black hoodies throwing stones", obviously (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[sk8bcn]

Mostly 4th, but the point is that we play because we like the whole cyberpunk thing, yet none of us is parst 30.

Well I wasn't arguing about Cyberpunk. I really was think of the 80s-90s feeling like Neo-Anarchist was back in 2nd ed. Be honest, if I was gamemastering you, with the 80s-90s feel, how would you feel if:

You encountered some gangers with stand that asked (forced) people to pay a "breathing tax" (from Sprawl Sites). That's a punk 80s feeling (crazyness+violence). If I make that encounter nowadays, it would raise eyebrows of my players. The mood currently is more at (violence+professionnalism). And it still mixes well Cyberpunk. To be honest, to understand what I mean, you need to read books of this era, and the obviously best ones.

@Wakshaani: Which of those are Anarchists, exactly? Outside of media coverage which seems to consider "Anarchists" a shorter term for "guys in black hoodies throwing stones", obviously (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

agrees.

By the way, I don't say there's no anarchist left, but the strength of the movement faded. Alter-mondialism gets a strong support currently.