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[Bull]

To answer your question from the Errata thread (and to keep it clear so Patrick doesn't freak out anymore):

The Exceptional Attribute quality is how you get to be the charismatic troll, or the agile dwarf. It allows you to possess one attribute at a level one point above the metatype maximum limit. For example, an ork character with the Exceptional Attribute quality for Strength could take his Strength attribute up to 10 before augmentations are applied, instead of the normal limit of 9. Exceptional Attribute also applies toward Special Attributes such as Magic and Resonance. Edge cannot affected by the Exceptional Attribute (Edge is raised by another quality called Lucky). A character may only take Exceptional Attribute once, and only with the gamemaster’s approval.

There ya go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Falconer]

I think it's more people don't get allowing this for Magic/resonance as they have no limit based on metatype.

Their limit is open-ended and only based on initiate grade and essence... so allowing exceptional attribute as well is a bit abusive. Especially for say a mystic adept who can come out the gate with effectively Magic 14 in earlier edition terms... (7mag, 7pp. and no initiations even yet).

There's a bit of ignorance here as well... karma to spend in chargen does that mean possibly 1 or 2 initiations right out the gate... in which case you're now looking at people potentially coming out of chargen with a magic score of 8 or 9! Really the higher you can push those attributes in chargen the more karma you can save later!

[Irion]

I think it's more people don't get allowing this for Magic/resonance as they have no limit based on metatype.

Their limit is open-ended and only based on initiate grade and essence... so allowing exceptional attribute as well is a bit abusive. Especially for say a mystic adept who can come out the gate with effectively Magic 14 in earlier edition terms... (7mag, 7pp. and no initiations even yet).

There's a bit of ignorance here as well... karma to spend in chargen does that mean possibly 1 or 2 initiations right out the gate... in which case you're now looking at people potentially coming out of chargen with a magic score of 8 or 9! Really the higher you can push those attributes in chargen the more karma you can save later!

What in the name of the lord are you talking about? Who in his right might would take exceptional attribute, when he could just use initiation. It makes no sense.

[Critias]

What in the name of the lord are you talking about? Who in his right might would take exceptional attribute, when he could just use initiation. It makes no sense.

Folks who are obsessed with having their starting character be as specialized and badass as the rules allow, instead of worrying about long-term growth and character development. Which is...uhh...by all accounts, a not-insubstantial portion of the player base, I'd say.

The rules don't say it's a great idea for a Techno or a Mage to go for that Resonance or Magic of 7 right outta the gate, but they explicitly allow it now, so folks who are that worried about it can do so, and start with a leg up on whoever they figure the competition is.