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DrJest
post Nov 15 2004, 10:59 AM
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So I have this ork houngan, Remy Coeur de Lion. Old character that I was bringing up to date (how old? Well, let's just say that he was originally created using the New Orleans features from the old White Wolf magazine :/ ).

He was always immaculately turned out, which at the time included a full set of Vashon Island Houndstooth. Looking at the CC (p.48), I see that they've updated their line with the Actioneer. Fair enough, I've got cash lying around. Oh, and they come with their own long coat now - an alternative to that Mortimer Greatcoat he always wore.

Then I think to look at the stacked armour bonuses. And I quote, "The long coat... does not count as a separate item for layering armour."

Waaaait a minute. Are they saying it adds straight on to the rest of it? Because:

Suit jacket (1.5/1)
Slacks (1/0.5)
Hi-Collar Shirt (1.5/0.5)
Long Coat (2/2)

adds up to 6/4!

Add a suit of FFBA.3 (er... full body suit these days, I mean), which doesn't reduce your Quickness for layering, you're looking at a whopping 8/4 armour rating - and you look good too!

Is this right? Or did I miss something important?
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Cymophane
post Nov 15 2004, 02:09 PM
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where does it say that the long coat only stacks with the actioneer line? at the beginning of the chapter it says that components of the same line do not count as different components when worn together but they do count when worn with other armor. so it is needless to repeat that it does not count towards layering when it comes to the actioneer long coat... but they do so and i think they want to tell us that this is an exeption to the above mentioned rule, i.e. it stacks with normal armor.
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- DrJest   Actioneer   Nov 15 2004, 10:59 AM
- - Cymophane   yeah, you´re missing that the suit jacket and the ...   Nov 15 2004, 11:13 AM
- - DrJest   Ahh, cheers mate Because you (IRL) wear a long/gr...   Nov 15 2004, 11:20 AM
- - toturi   You'll look stupid with the FFBA hood over you...   Nov 15 2004, 11:24 AM
- - Cymophane   sure, page 121 cc Vashon Island, Actioneer Line e...   Nov 15 2004, 11:29 AM
- - DrJest   Ta Cy Toturi: I'd assumed the hood could be...   Nov 15 2004, 11:40 AM
- - Cymophane   i´ve always thought of FFBA 3 as some kind of ninj...   Nov 15 2004, 11:50 AM
- - Ombre   QUOTE (Cymophane) armor vest w/ plates (dikote)___...   Nov 15 2004, 12:56 PM
- - Cymophane   sorry, but thou art wrong (i already factored thos...   Nov 15 2004, 01:05 PM
- - Ombre   Seems thou have a point here, Sir Cymo, please let...   Nov 15 2004, 01:14 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Ombre @ Nov 15 2004, 08:56 PM) Sorry f...   Nov 15 2004, 01:17 PM
- - Ombre   Just an afterthought, though...don't you guys ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:17 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Mistake #1: You can wear the jacket and coat toge...   Nov 15 2004, 01:21 PM
- - Ombre   So according to Toturi, you can only stack two lay...   Nov 15 2004, 01:22 PM
- - Ombre   You're right Doc, I can't imagine someone ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:24 PM
- - Cymophane   apology accepted humble sir ombre. yeah, but the b...   Nov 15 2004, 01:25 PM
- - toturi   Check your Armour Layering Rules, gentlemen. QUOT...   Nov 15 2004, 01:25 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Ombre) You're right Doc, I can't im...   Nov 15 2004, 01:26 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (toturi @ Nov 15 2004, 07:25 AM) Even i...   Nov 15 2004, 01:27 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 15 2004, 09:2...   Nov 15 2004, 01:30 PM
- - Cymophane   1. you are wrong doc, page 46 cc reads "compo...   Nov 15 2004, 01:40 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 07:40 AM) 1. ...   Nov 15 2004, 01:50 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Cymophane) 1. you are wrong doc, page 46 cc...   Nov 15 2004, 01:52 PM
- - Cymophane   no doc, you can´t wear ANY components together -...   Nov 15 2004, 01:56 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Good god. Live in ignorance. I couldn't care...   Nov 15 2004, 01:57 PM
- - Cymophane   what a weak argument, shame on you!   Nov 15 2004, 01:57 PM
- - Nikoli   Also, the overcoat doesn't stack like normal w...   Nov 15 2004, 01:58 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Nov 15 2004, 09:5...   Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM
- - Crusher Bob   QUOTE (Ombre @ Nov 15 2004, 09:24 PM) You...   Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM
- - Cymophane   yeah, ok. but if this guy would wear a jacket and ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:01 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE Armour Vest 4/3 Actioneer Coat 2/2 (halved t...   Nov 15 2004, 02:02 PM
- - Cymophane   where does it say that the long coat only stacks w...   Nov 15 2004, 02:09 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I didn't say it only stacks with the Actioneer...   Nov 15 2004, 02:11 PM
- - Crusher Bob   General: Captain, why are all of your powered arm...   Nov 15 2004, 02:12 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE Armour Vest 4/3 A...   Nov 15 2004, 02:14 PM
- - Cymophane   i don´t want to be nitpicking here, but i think th...   Nov 15 2004, 02:14 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Nov 15 2004, 10:12 PM) G...   Nov 15 2004, 02:16 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:14 AM) @do...   Nov 15 2004, 02:23 PM
- - Cymophane   just to get you right: so you think the coat gives...   Nov 15 2004, 02:27 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I know it does. It provides 1/1 armor with anythi...   Nov 15 2004, 02:32 PM
- - Cymophane   but when the layering penalty (with the actioneer ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:34 PM
- - Nikoli   What they should have doen is described it as two ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:36 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:34 AM) but...   Nov 15 2004, 02:40 PM
- - Cymophane   it doesn´t say no layering penalties apply, it say...   Nov 15 2004, 02:48 PM
- - toturi   That should be: Actioneer Line w/ Jacket but w/o ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:50 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Sorry, I was going off of memory for the numbers. ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:52 PM
- - Cymophane   but what are those layering penalties when they ar...   Nov 15 2004, 02:56 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE but what are those layering penalties when ...   Nov 15 2004, 02:59 PM
- - Cymophane   so you say the writer put the asterisk (that means...   Nov 15 2004, 03:03 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Crusher Bob @ Nov 15 2004, 01:59 PM) Q...   Nov 15 2004, 03:05 PM
- - Fortune   An armor jacket is nothing like a suit jacket thou...   Nov 15 2004, 03:06 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 09:03 AM) so ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:09 PM
- - Cymophane   i´m sorry, english isn´t my native language,but wh...   Nov 15 2004, 03:10 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   It means they may not be worn together and still c...   Nov 15 2004, 03:14 PM
- - Cymophane   that would mean that i could wear Dallas Line for ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:18 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Hence the potential layering penalties and funny l...   Nov 15 2004, 03:24 PM
- - DrJest   Everybody sit down. Put your hot drinks or sharp ...   Nov 15 2004, 03:25 PM
- - Cymophane   bleh, i looked the topic up in the german cc (arse...   Nov 15 2004, 03:47 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 15 2004, 03:06 PM) An ar...   Nov 15 2004, 04:10 PM
- - Cymophane   well, no...but there isn´t a magical force keeping...   Nov 15 2004, 04:18 PM
- - lorthazar   Are we forgetting on thing. if you truly want to w...   Nov 15 2004, 04:37 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (KarmaInferno) QUOTE (Fortune @ Nov 15 ...   Nov 15 2004, 04:47 PM
- - mintcar   This is one of the things that is far to complicat...   Nov 15 2004, 05:05 PM
- - Cymophane   Amen mintcar!   Nov 15 2004, 05:12 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Cymophane) well, no...but there isn´t a mag...   Nov 15 2004, 06:50 PM
- - Cymophane   the german rules prevent you from wearing both at ...   Nov 15 2004, 07:19 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, your interpretation of the German rules preven...   Nov 15 2004, 07:45 PM
- - Cymophane   well, open the book on page 151 arsenal 2060: Desi...   Nov 15 2004, 07:54 PM
- - lorthazar   I would say that has to be the most controlling an...   Nov 15 2004, 08:06 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Dude, there's a skill known at least in englis...   Nov 15 2004, 08:07 PM
- - Cymophane   sure you can put it one but you would receive no b...   Nov 15 2004, 08:12 PM
- - lorthazar   Actually if all you had was the complete suit (whi...   Nov 15 2004, 08:16 PM
- - KarmaInferno   Why would you not get the normal layering? If you...   Nov 15 2004, 08:17 PM
- - Cymophane   "Some things are not explicitly covered by th...   Nov 15 2004, 08:21 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Dude, seriously, the rule is saying that you can...   Nov 15 2004, 08:23 PM
- - KarmaInferno   So this is a case where the text is worded badly. ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:25 PM
- - Cymophane   "Designerpanzerkleidung - Komponenten, die ni...   Nov 15 2004, 08:26 PM
- - KarmaInferno   What part of "you are interpreting the rules ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:27 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Cymophane: Once again, you're reading them ou...   Nov 15 2004, 08:29 PM
- - Cymophane   hey buddy, i already said that it is quite clear t...   Nov 15 2004, 08:32 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, what you're actually saying (in effect if ...   Nov 15 2004, 08:35 PM
- - lorthazar   Fails to see the abuse in the above combo. Besides...   Nov 15 2004, 08:37 PM
- - Cymophane   no doc, as i said long ago i think it can´t be use...   Nov 15 2004, 08:42 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Cymophane @ Nov 15 2004, 08:32 PM) hey...   Nov 15 2004, 08:42 PM
- - DrJest   QUOTE There is no role-playing police that will ha...   Nov 15 2004, 09:37 PM
- - Dr. Black   Beating dead horse. If I have the full actioneer ...   Nov 15 2004, 09:49 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, it counts as two pieces of armor. But like FF...   Nov 15 2004, 09:50 PM
- - Jason Farlander   Is it just me, or are the last three pages of this...   Nov 15 2004, 10:33 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   It pretty much is.   Nov 15 2004, 10:35 PM
- - Chance359   And to think I kept checking all day long to see i...   Nov 15 2004, 10:49 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Also, despite Toturi...   Nov 15 2004, 10:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   And, once again, it's not necessarily a house ...   Nov 15 2004, 11:14 PM
- - John Campbell   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)And, once again, it...   Nov 15 2004, 11:30 PM
- - Cymophane   quote doc: "Someone only has to shoot threw t...   Nov 15 2004, 11:30 PM
- - Jason Farlander   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)Hell, using that sort of...   Nov 15 2004, 11:38 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (John Campbell) Or reading what the book act...   Nov 15 2004, 11:43 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Feel free to point out ...   Nov 16 2004, 12:35 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I don't see "...and in no way, shape, or ...   Nov 16 2004, 12:37 AM
- - toturi   If armour>1, armour = highest armour + 1/2 nex...   Nov 16 2004, 12:42 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Once again, show me where it says it stops there a...   Nov 16 2004, 12:46 AM
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