 Real Ultimate Power for 40 Build Points, Are Trolls Too Strong??? |
 Mar 3 2006, 09:31 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 201 Joined: 13-August 04 From: Fort Smith, Arkansas Member No.: 6,560  |
Hey Guys, I haven't had a chance to play 4th edition yet but wondered, are trolls as strong as they were in previous versions of the game? I realize they are 40 build points but if you look at the stats for trolls, coupled with character creation rules, you get 4 free points of body (equivalent to 40 build points), just by choosing a troll. That also means you get +4 Str (another 40 build points), thermographic vision, and +1 Natural Armor. Am I wrong about their relative strength? This is of important concern to me since they also don't have to buy stat points to reduce negatives to a positive stat in this version of the game. What do you guys think?
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Mar 5 2006, 08:59 AM
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Grand Master of Run-Fu Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 |
The problem is that you can't start off with all 5's in attributes, or even all 4's before racial modifiers. You can hyperspecialize, and get rewarded that way: with the downturn in the power level, you can have low-average stats in most areas, without suffereing too much. Additionally, you can raise everything else on the cheap. Going for a "balanced" build leaves your character uniformly mediocre. You're only somewhat better than the hyperspecialists in most areas, and completely buried by them in their trick zone. |
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mrobviousjosh Real Ultimate Power for 40 Build Points Mar 3 2006, 09:31 PM
mrobviousjosh As a note, I used the body point examples in parti... Mar 3 2006, 09:32 PM hobgoblin i think there was something about them only increa... Mar 3 2006, 09:37 PM mdynna Trolls have always been imposing physical characte... Mar 3 2006, 09:40 PM mdynna Also, SR3 used to have a rule that Trolls had to b... Mar 3 2006, 09:41 PM Azralon Trolls get +4 Body, -1 Agility, +4 Strength, -2 Ch... Mar 3 2006, 09:45 PM Thanee The problem with the attribute penalties is, that ... Mar 3 2006, 09:57 PM stevebugge QUOTE (mdynna @ Mar 3 2006, 01:41 PM) Also, S... Mar 3 2006, 10:16 PM Akimbo The purpose of a troll is to flip out and kill peo... Mar 3 2006, 10:27 PM Dissonance With +1 range. Mar 3 2006, 10:28 PM Azralon QUOTE (Akimbo) The purpose of a troll is to flip o... Mar 3 2006, 10:30 PM Magus Plus now with the lower stun track, and trolls hav... Mar 3 2006, 10:50 PM emo samurai Trolls can kill anyone they want. Mar 3 2006, 10:55 PM Azralon QUOTE (Magus) So it is far far easier to stun a tr... Mar 3 2006, 11:13 PM Magus QUOTE (Azralon) QUOTE (Magus @ Mar 3 2006, 06... Mar 3 2006, 11:27 PM Glyph Trolls aren't quite the combat kings that they... Mar 4 2006, 03:39 AM NeonWraith In terms of knocking a troll out/stunning them vs.... Mar 4 2006, 01:48 PM Abschalten I was doing some world-class min-maxing and number... Mar 4 2006, 03:39 PM Kleaner I heard that there was this troll who was eating a... Mar 4 2006, 05:04 PM Zen Shooter01 The thing that gets forgotten most often about tro... Mar 4 2006, 05:16 PM Clyde It's important to remember the effects of the ... Mar 4 2006, 05:30 PM Brahm QUOTE (Clyde) It's important to remember the e... Mar 4 2006, 08:19 PM Dissonance Trolls are interesting. It's not really like ... Mar 4 2006, 09:00 PM fool actually as far as advancement goes, trolls can ad... Mar 5 2006, 01:07 AM Glyph I've noticed that about SR4. If you min-max t... Mar 5 2006, 08:39 AM Clyde Of course that mediocrity is for humans only (meta... Mar 5 2006, 01:31 PM Ka_ge2020 I always thought that the obvious disadvantage wit... Mar 5 2006, 03:44 PM Akimbo One of my players is as obsessed with Trolls as Ro... Mar 5 2006, 05:35 PM Shrike30 For purposes of upping statistics, I always used t... Mar 6 2006, 08:09 PM Dissonance The book says to use post-modifier values for the ... Mar 6 2006, 08:25 PM mrobviousjosh Hey Guys, you all have added some great insight in... Mar 6 2006, 08:45 PM Azralon QUOTE (Dissonance) Furthermore, when dealing with ... Mar 6 2006, 08:46 PM Shrike30 I figure a troll arm, being the size of my thigh, ... Mar 6 2006, 09:53 PM Azralon QUOTE (Shrike30) I figure a troll arm, being the s... Mar 6 2006, 09:57 PM Shrike30 The way I do it operates under the assumption that... Mar 6 2006, 10:38 PM Dissonance I've known people who did that, Shrike. I alwa... Mar 7 2006, 12:19 AM Shrike30 My personal favorite with hydraulic-assist was whe... Mar 7 2006, 12:35 AM hyzmarca The problem with cyberlimbs on trolls is that a tr... Mar 7 2006, 05:20 AM Nidhogg QUOTE (hyzmarca) And even so he has use up all of ... Mar 7 2006, 05:25 AM Shrike30 They do if they're using my rules
A guy I kn... Mar 7 2006, 09:08 AM Azralon QUOTE (hyzmarca) The problem with cyberlimbs on tr... Mar 7 2006, 03:39 PM TinkerGnome QUOTE (Azralon) Momma Nature is still at least one... Mar 7 2006, 03:43 PM
Azralon QUOTE (TinkerGnome @ Mar 7 2006, 11:43 AM) Th... Mar 7 2006, 03:48 PM |
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