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 Mar 26 2006, 04:02 PM
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Even if it does work, it'll only give you stun damage, which is just as bad, if not worse, than actual physical damage. Would a houserule saying that it does 1/2 stun damage if it stops the bullet work well?
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Mar 27 2006, 05:30 PM
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I already mentioned the precordial thump (which would be a great example of lethal blunt trauma when done wrong, or indeed right in this case) and bruising is a horribly inefficient method of disabling circulation, so you're really left with temporarily disabling the respiratory system. I assume this could be achieved if you managed to cause extensive but not critical damage to the diaphragm, but I have never heard of that happening, certainly not when talking about blunt trauma from bullets stopped by body armor. Rather I'd expect something like that might happen if you got severely beaten in the chest and the sides with clubs -- the firearms equivalent would be wearing level III-A body armor and getting repeated point blank hits from 12Gs firing 00 buck.
Look at an MMA event that doesn't use gloves, then. The bullet is far more energetic, causing a sharper impact that is much more likely to cause minor bruises, but the jab has far more momentum and more likely to have a profound effect deeper into the tissue. I wouldn't know which is better at knocking a person unconscious since I have never heard of either managing it.
Not life-threatening, period. No fatalities from projectiles that the body armor they were stopped by was rated against and all that.
Yeah, this ties in nicely with the good old "why do maces do Stun damage" issue. I'm not opposed to the idea of a Stun track, but at the very least we should acknowledge that categorizing all blunt trauma as Stun/non-lethal is not very logical.
The problem is, getting your Stun track filled means you will be completely incapable of taking any action at all for at least around 15 minutes, more likely 60 minutes, unless you get medical attention. And hell, the average SR character can take a decent shot from a shotgun at point blank range while unarmored and not be left gasping for his breath and out of the fight for any more than a Simple Action or whatever it takes to get up after being Knocked Down, which to me implies that the Stun track filling up simulates a condition far more serious than bruises on your chest. This post has been edited by Austere Emancipator: Mar 27 2006, 05:37 PM |
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emo samurai Dude, armor sucks. Mar 26 2006, 04:02 PM
Thanee If some hits are converted to stun you keep going ... Mar 26 2006, 04:07 PM hobgoblin get yourself some hardend armor (alltho you probab... Mar 26 2006, 04:11 PM Signal QUOTE (emo samurai @ Mar 26 2006, 11:02 AM) E... Mar 26 2006, 04:20 PM emo samurai YES!!!!!! That's a goo... Mar 26 2006, 04:44 PM Butterblume I don't think its that good. For example, it m... Mar 26 2006, 05:01 PM Azathfeld Err, armor doesn't just convert physical damag... Mar 26 2006, 07:08 PM emo samurai Does it add dice for resistance if the DV is highe... Mar 26 2006, 07:14 PM Pallantides QUOTE (emo samurai) Does it add dice for resistanc... Mar 26 2006, 07:19 PM emo samurai Maybe armor DOES rock... Mar 26 2006, 07:22 PM Grinder In my games every runner was more than happy to we... Mar 26 2006, 07:28 PM Pallantides I honestly kinda like the SR4 rules for armor- sim... Mar 26 2006, 07:47 PM Red The key problem with armor is that while every poi... Mar 26 2006, 08:19 PM emo samurai You could just ramp up the armor values, too... Mar 26 2006, 08:44 PM hobgoblin im guessing the 1/3 effective stuff is based on th... Mar 26 2006, 08:58 PM Butterblume QUOTE (hobgoblin)funny thing is that i think the n... Mar 26 2006, 09:09 PM emo samurai Only if you're a troll or something... but if ... Mar 26 2006, 09:12 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (hobgoblin) im guessing the 1/3 effective st... Mar 26 2006, 10:06 PM hobgoblin err, i was talking in general terms. as in i never... Mar 26 2006, 10:21 PM Red Yes. The 1/3 is derived from the general probabil... Mar 26 2006, 11:15 PM Azathfeld The effects of coverage are factored into the armo... Mar 26 2006, 11:56 PM Geekkake QUOTE (hobgoblin) ...i never defined what a heavy ... Mar 27 2006, 12:01 AM hobgoblin ugh, unintended... Mar 27 2006, 01:00 AM emo samurai I was going to point that out and then decided aga... Mar 27 2006, 01:13 AM Red QUOTE (Azathfeld) The effects of coverage are fact... Mar 27 2006, 03:19 AM Edward The problem with diverting damage to the stun trac... Mar 27 2006, 05:42 AM The Jopp Well, if armour is statistically good or bad is fo... Mar 27 2006, 11:16 AM Signal QUOTE (The Jopp) Well, if armour is statistically ... Mar 27 2006, 11:31 AM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (hobgoblin)point is this that multiple round... Mar 27 2006, 02:55 PM kigmatzomat QUOTE (Butterblume) I don't think its that goo... Mar 27 2006, 03:48 PM neko128 QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) What I'm getting a... Mar 27 2006, 04:03 PM neko128 QUOTE (kigmatzomat) 1) people who get shot in exis... Mar 27 2006, 04:04 PM kigmatzomat Cracked ribs are pretty much unheard of from pisto... Mar 27 2006, 04:26 PM mdynna You could always fix it by not having someone fall... Mar 27 2006, 04:35 PM hobgoblin QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) When is the last time ... Mar 27 2006, 04:42 PM Azathfeld Stun damage doesn't always represent concussiv... Mar 27 2006, 05:10 PM ThatSzechuan My boxing coach was pro for 27 years, during which... Mar 27 2006, 05:13 PM mdynna There should still be a mechanic to allow someone ... Mar 27 2006, 05:15 PM Azathfeld QUOTE (ThatSzechuan) As far as the armor rules go,... Mar 27 2006, 05:23 PM ThatSzechuan QUOTE (Azathfeld) QUOTE (ThatSzechuan @ Mar 2... Mar 27 2006, 05:28 PM Butterblume QUOTE (mdynna)There should still be a mechanic to ... Mar 27 2006, 05:29 PM neko128 QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (neko128)Not imm... Mar 27 2006, 05:37 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (neko128)Both internal bleeding and broken/f... Mar 27 2006, 05:40 PM Azathfeld QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Azathfeld)Stun ... Mar 27 2006, 05:52 PM neko128 QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (neko128)Both in... Mar 27 2006, 05:59 PM hobgoblin his problem is that a wound fit under physical dam... Mar 27 2006, 06:02 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Azathfeld)Well, I'm sorry if it causes ... Mar 27 2006, 06:14 PM neko128 QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Azathfeld)Well,... Mar 27 2006, 06:17 PM Shrike30 I've been using a combination of rules.
Rathe... Mar 27 2006, 06:18 PM Azathfeld QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Azathfeld)Well,... Mar 27 2006, 06:26 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (neko128)Why do you seem so upset by the ide... Mar 27 2006, 06:50 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Azathfeld)Well, yeah, having a black-and-bl... Mar 27 2006, 07:02 PM PBTHHHHT My 2 cents in the whole fray. Heh. During a spar... Mar 27 2006, 08:05 PM Austere Emancipator [Nevermind. I guess I don't need to justify ev... Mar 27 2006, 08:19 PM Butterblume QUOTE (PBTHHHHT)In the case of boxers, and somethi... Mar 27 2006, 08:22 PM Dissonance You know what sucks?
Sucking chest wounds. Mar 27 2006, 08:31 PM neko128 QUOTE (Dissonance) You know what sucks?
Sucking c... Mar 27 2006, 08:32 PM Austere Emancipator In SR terms, a sucking chest wound might not be mo... Mar 27 2006, 08:47 PM Butterblume I'll count the lung to the major organs . Mar 27 2006, 08:57 PM Austere Emancipator A sucking chest wound hasn't necessarily punct... Mar 27 2006, 09:11 PM Moon-Hawk I second AE's diagnosis. A punctured pleura w... Mar 27 2006, 09:19 PM Dissonance I was just going for the pun, but yow. Mar 27 2006, 09:20 PM PBTHHHHT Oh, I can't help it. Most likely all of y... Mar 27 2006, 09:25 PM Geekkake With all the arguments about whether or not cracke... Mar 27 2006, 09:34 PM Moon-Hawk I appreciate your point, Geekkake. But I think wh... Mar 27 2006, 09:44 PM Azathfeld *sounds of potato chip crunching*
No way, man... Mar 27 2006, 09:45 PM mfb yeah... the thing is, sometimes, you don't not... Mar 27 2006, 09:45 PM Austere Emancipator Humans behave very differently when they are under... Mar 27 2006, 09:46 PM Butterblume QUOTE (Azathfeld)One time, I stubbed my toe and I ... Mar 27 2006, 09:58 PM PBTHHHHT QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Mar 27 2006, 04:... Mar 27 2006, 10:20 PM Austere Emancipator Forcing all characters to be screaming heaps isn... Mar 27 2006, 10:42 PM PBTHHHHT Another realistic approach... diving for cover and... Mar 27 2006, 11:19 PM Geekkake QUOTE (Austere Emancipator @ Mar 27 2006, 05:... Mar 27 2006, 11:27 PM Signal QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Mar 27 2006, 05:20 PM) QUOT... Mar 27 2006, 11:43 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Geekkake)When the Stun track is full and th... Mar 28 2006, 12:02 AM Azathfeld QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
Oh, and in case you... Mar 28 2006, 12:22 AM mfb ehh... Dead Man's Trigger only works for one a... Mar 28 2006, 12:40 AM Austere Emancipator It has a whole lot to do with the sub-thread that ... Mar 28 2006, 12:43 AM Azathfeld Or maybe the game doesn't perfectly model ever... Mar 28 2006, 12:53 AM mfb true. however, if it's possible to model more ... Mar 28 2006, 01:02 AM nick012000 I don't remember anything saying that you fall... Mar 28 2006, 01:03 AM mfb page 53, under "Unconsciousness". mentio... Mar 28 2006, 01:04 AM emo samurai I just got done reading the last three pages of th... Mar 28 2006, 01:33 AM Geekkake QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Geekkake)When t... Mar 28 2006, 02:09 AM mfb dude, that's simply not realistic in a hell of... Mar 28 2006, 02:20 AM SL James QUOTE (emo samurai) I just got done reading the la... Mar 28 2006, 02:26 AM Nikoli I will point out that there is a world of differen... Mar 28 2006, 03:46 AM mfb it depends on what kind of vest you've got. i... Mar 28 2006, 03:59 AM Austere Emancipator Rating III is the lighter rigid armor standard. If... Mar 28 2006, 11:06 AM kigmatzomat QUOTE (Nikoli) Body armor helps spread the force o... Mar 28 2006, 04:45 PM Geekkake QUOTE (kigmatzomat @ Mar 28 2006, 11:45 AM) Q... Mar 28 2006, 05:00 PM Austere Emancipator Some amazing stories in the KSC. For example, seve... Mar 28 2006, 05:09 PM Red QUOTE (Geekkake @ Mar 28 2006, 12:00 PM) [edi... Mar 28 2006, 05:44 PM Geekkake QUOTE (Red) QUOTE (Geekkake @ Mar 28 2006, 12... Mar 28 2006, 05:55 PM Signal I'm going to run my game using the default fle... Mar 28 2006, 06:11 PM Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Geekkake)So there you have it. Watch out fo... Mar 28 2006, 06:37 PM Voran I was thinking along the lines of the North Hollyw... Apr 2 2006, 11:03 AM mfb indeed. Apr 2 2006, 12:30 PM
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