 metatypes unbalanced?, are the BP costs for metahumans fair? |
 Apr 10 2006, 10:46 PM
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sorry if this has been discussed before, it's my first time on the board, but does anyone else think that the BP costs for the different metatypes are broken?
specifically, for Elves. I realise that Orks, Dwarves and Trolls all have reduced racial maximums and Elves don't, but looking at starting characters: Ork: 20 BPs. Attribute bonuses: 5 (50 BPs-worth). Low Light Vision. Dwarf: 25 BPs. Attribute bonuses: 4 (40 BPs-worth). Thermographic Vision, Path/ Tox resistance. Elf: 30 BPs. Attribute bonuses: 3 (30 BPs-worth). Low Light Vision. Troll: 40 BPs. Attribute bonuses: 8 (80 BPs-worth). Thermographic Vision, extra Reach, extra Armour An Elf pays 10 BPs more than an Ork, but gets 20 BPs-worth less attribute boosts. Does capping the Ork's Charisma and Logic at one lower than norm really account for a 30 BPs difference? |
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Apr 12 2006, 07:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 36 Joined: 28-March 06 From: Ottawa Ontario Canada Member No.: 8,409 |
I always felt that the running / movement speed differences should factor more. Chasing and escaping become virtually impossible as a dwarf... Which may be accurate, but that limitation should be worth more in terms of build points...
Special vision should be valued less, considering that for a measly few hundred nuyen and 0.1 or 0.2 essence you could get the same damn thing. Plus, if you DO get cyber eyes, your "special" vision is gone... Toxin / disease resistance is useful, but not nearly as useful as +1 armour and +1 reach... I mean, for Orks and Trolls the social stigma justifies their relatively cheap cost in my opinion... But the dwarves posess a negative social stigma too (albeit a different negative). To me, it's the dwarves who get the "short" end of the stick in terms of build costs. |
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captainwhizz metatypes unbalanced? Apr 10 2006, 10:46 PM
FanGirl If you made it advantageous to be an elf, the shad... Apr 10 2006, 10:53 PM Ophis Major point agility is the best ability score, loo... Apr 10 2006, 10:55 PM Synner Don't forget that Orks (and Trolls for that ma... Apr 10 2006, 11:00 PM captainwhizz Orks and Trolls get discriminated against, but the... Apr 10 2006, 11:21 PM Dissonance Well, another thing to consider is that body is re... Apr 10 2006, 11:28 PM James McMurray Dwarves and trolls get to pay more for their gear ... Apr 10 2006, 11:29 PM Kremlin KOA QUOTE (captainwhizz) Orks and Trolls get discrimin... Apr 11 2006, 01:19 AM FanGirl I wonder whether captainwhizz really wants to play... Apr 11 2006, 03:04 AM Jaid of course, humans actually get the best bonus... s... Apr 11 2006, 03:30 AM FanGirl QUOTE (Jaid) of course, humans actually get the be... Apr 11 2006, 03:39 AM eidolon QUOTE (Kremlin KOA)
"Yeah D20 radiation cance... Apr 11 2006, 03:46 AM Glyph Elves actually have a good deal. Essentially they... Apr 11 2006, 07:53 AM captainwhizz QUOTE (FanGirl @ Apr 10 2006, 10:04 PM) I won... Apr 11 2006, 10:26 AM Ophis The attribute "penalties" are not that m... Apr 11 2006, 10:43 AM Xavier Grimwand Tried a code block?
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40 BPs will pay for any starting... Apr 12 2006, 08:01 PM Shrike30 I'm sure you can figure out how to spend 40 bu... Apr 12 2006, 08:14 PM captainwhizz when talking about Troll mages vs Human mages, you... Apr 12 2006, 10:39 PM James McMurray You've convinced me. I'll never play anoth... Apr 12 2006, 10:41 PM Dv84good Dam right your convinced! Apr 13 2006, 04:05 AM Dv84good QUOTE (captainwhizz) when talking about Troll mage... Apr 13 2006, 04:29 AM
James McMurray QUOTE (Dv84good) Dam right your convinced! ... Apr 13 2006, 04:32 AM |
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