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post Jul 5 2008, 08:03 PM
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In SR3, Orks had a listed life expectancy of forty years. I always took that to mean an average, that was brought down by the sheer number of young deaths. Another way to say it is that I assumed Orks live as long as Humans, but are more likely to die early, which lowers the average life span.

It's no secret that Orks are a metaphor for blacks in America, and the average lifespan for a black man is roughly ten years less than that of a white man. This is not because black people just don't live as long, but it's an average brought down by the young deaths caused by the sheer number of blacks living in poverty and violence. Thus, I've always it's the same deal with Orks, that if the socio-economic factors were equalized, Orks would live as long as Humans.

Some adventure written for SR1 or SR2 (I forget which) made it clear that the author felt Orks simply aged faster, so a thirty-year-old NPC was all wrinkled and decrepit. I think that's a misunderstanding of what the SR team intended, but what does everyone else think?
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post Jul 6 2008, 03:22 AM
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So the birth weight of an ork is probably around 1 kg (about the same mass as a kitten), making them easy to birth in batches and most likely the cutest metahuman babies ever.
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post Jul 6 2008, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (Aaron @ Jul 5 2008, 09:22 PM) *
So the birth weight of an ork is probably around 1 kg (about the same mass as a kitten), making them easy to birth in batches and most likely the cutest metahuman babies ever.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) 2.2 pounds in birth weight?!?!?! the survival rate for current day babies of that birth weight is not that good. Octuplets have a greater birth weight than that.
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Multiple-birth infants are usually admitted to neonatal intensive care immediately after being born. The records for all the triplet pregnancies managed and delivered from 1992-1996 were looked over to see what the neonatal statistics were. Kaufman et al. [12] found from reviewing these files that during a five year period, 55 triplet pregnancies, which is 165 babies, were delivered. Of the 165 babies 149 were admitted to neonatal intensive care after the delivery. That is 90% of the babies born.


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40 weeks is considered a full-term singleton pregnancy; however few higher-order multiple birth pregnancies last a full 40 weeks because the length of pregnancy decreases with each additional baby.

More than 50 percent of twins, more than 90 percent of triplets, and virtually all quadruplets and higher multiples are born preterm (Hoyert, Et al. 2006).

On average most:

* singleton pregnancies last 39 weeks
* twin pregnancies last 35 weeks
* triplet pregnancies last 33 weeks
* quadruplets pregnancies last 29 weeks (ASRM, 2006).

According to the MOST Medical Birth Survey, the average gestation for multiples is approximately:

* 35 weeks for twins
* 33 weeks for triplets
* 31 weeks for quadruplets
* 29 weeks for quintuplets
* 29 weeks for sextuplets

But again the nutritional aspect of carrying 4+ babies even for 6 months is being side stepped.

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post Jul 6 2008, 03:41 AM
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QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Jul 5 2008, 09:37 PM) *
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) 2.2 pounds in birth weight?!?!?! the survival rate for current day babies of that birth weight is not that good. Octuplets have a greater birth weight than that.

You seem to have forgotten that we're not talking about human babies, current day or otherwise.

Also, remind me how long octuplets usually gestate? EDIT: Never mind, I used my Data Search skill. It seems that the first surviving octuplets born in the US were born thirteen weeks premature (except one who was born 15 weeks premature), and all of them had birth weights less than a kilogram. Here's a link. Here's another to Wikipedia.

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But again the nutritional aspect of carrying 4+ babies even for 6 months is being side stepped.

Good point. I imagine that pregnant-ork-eating-all-the-time jokes are a hoot on the sitcom sims.
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QUOTE (Aaron @ Jul 5 2008, 09:41 PM) *
You seem to have forgotten that we're not talking about human babies, current day or otherwise. Also, remind me how long octuplets usually gestate?

Good point. I imagine that pregnant-ork-eating-all-the-time jokes are a hoot on the sitcom sims.

No I am not, Orks are a subspecies of Humanity just as are Caucasians, Asians, Africans etc, they do not give birth to "Kitties".

Again the Devs/Freelancers did not go thru enough research instead went for the "Neat" factor.

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By the end of a twin pregnancy your blood volume will have increased by 70-80% of your pre pregnant status.3 Even more in a triplet pregnancy. This is a considerable amount that you need to acquire partly by hydration (drinking enough fluids) and adequate protein intake. Without enough calories in your diet, approximately 3,000 for twins, you won't have the energy for baby building and carrying on much of your activities of daily living.

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Calcium is very important in the last half of pregnancy, (during the last two trimesters). The last trimester is when half the calcium required by the fetus will be deposited in the fetal bones. If you are not taking in enough calcium then the babies will take it from your bones, this is not beneficial to you after menopause. The required amount is 1,600-2,000 mg. per day for a twin/triplet pregnancy.


You can see the increase from 2 to 3 babies, as for scaling it beyond that ....

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post Jul 6 2008, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Jul 6 2008, 05:53 AM) *
Orks are a subspecies of Humanity just as are Caucasians, Asians, Africans etc

Caucasians, Asians, Africans, etc. are not "subspecies" (aka "races") - they are ethnic variations of the human phenotype.
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post Jul 6 2008, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (MYST1C @ Jul 6 2008, 03:53 AM) *
Caucasians, Asians, Africans, etc. are not "subspecies" (aka "races") - they are ethnic variations of the human phenotype.

Sorry but that is still up for debate.
Race (classification of human beings)
Human genetic variation
Long web pages many different views on Race as a genetic issue.

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post Jul 6 2008, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (WearzManySkins @ Jul 6 2008, 10:52 AM) *
Sorry but that is still up for debate.
Race (classification of human beings)
Human genetic variation
Long web pages many different views on Race as a genetic issue.

There's a much easier-to-digest version of all of this info on PBS's Race: the Power of an Illusion site.
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QUOTE (Aaron @ Jul 6 2008, 01:11 PM) *
There's a much easier-to-digest version of all of this info on PBS's Race: the Power of an Illusion site.

Bah if you have to read the Cliff Notes version, you should not even go there. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

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- evil_bacteria   Ork life expectancy   Jul 5 2008, 08:03 PM
- - Lordmalachdrim   If I recall the SR2 core book coincided with the a...   Jul 5 2008, 08:25 PM
- - Faelan   I think the intention was for orks to have shorter...   Jul 5 2008, 08:34 PM
- - WearzManySkins   Actually the data on the Orks is just plain BS, ev...   Jul 5 2008, 09:02 PM
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|- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (Aaron @ Jul 5 2008, 08:54 PM) You ...   Jul 6 2008, 02:58 AM
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