BP Costs for Homebrew Races, How do you determine it? Options Track this topic Email this topic Print this topic Download this topic Subscribe to this forum Display Modes Outline Switch to: Standard Switch to: Linear+

[Guntherfuzz8]

Can anyone explain how you determine the BP cost for metatypes? I've got a homebrew in mind, but ain't sure how to determine the BP cost.

[vacrix]

With an avian race it kind of makes sense though, a certain degree of strength is needed for flight, but because of a lighter skeletal structure and streamlined musculature it might not have the same upper limit as a human.

well i was basing this off a primitive people like in the forgotten realms setting (their removed from most of society). as for the str part, yeah i agree but i wasn't sure where to cut off stats and where to add them. maybe instead, they have a homebrew quality (natural selection as a name?) that gives them a bonus +1 str or something and keep the str at a natural 1?

Also, wouldn't their light skeletal structure give them a penalty to bod for damage resistance? Kind of like bone lacing gives a bonus. I mean there isn't any real reason to say they just can't have a decent Bod, because there are plenty of other things that run off Bod besides ability to take damage. Maybe a -1 or -2 to Bod for the purpose of soaking damage and can't have any bone augmentations. Perhaps also limit armor to 2x Str for being able to remain airborne to represent the added weight.

in response, i'd say that maybe theres a lowerclass avarial and then the higher class avarial formaybe a few more BP that has a few perks, mainly the lack of the Bod minuses, after all in a primitive society, the strong dominate.

in reflection, maybe their could be a seperate list of homebrewed qualities to add to this race, and maybe to critter characters? this would help balance the character if balance is desired, or help for depth

[Karoline]

well i was basing this off a primitive people like in the forgotten realms setting (their removed from most of society). as for the str part, yeah i agree but i wasn't sure where to cut off stats and where to add them. maybe instead, they have a homebrew quality (natural selection as a name?) that gives them a bonus +1 str or something and keep the str at a natural 1?



in response, i'd say that maybe theres a lowerclass avarial and then the higher class avarial formaybe a few more BP that has a few perks, mainly the lack of the Bod minuses, after all in a primitive society, the strong dominate.

in reflection, maybe their could be a seperate list of homebrewed qualities to add to this race, and maybe to critter characters? this would help balance the character if balance is desired, or help for depth

Changing it to a quality doesn't really do much. Like I said, even a weak human can walk, so I figure even a weak Avian can fly. A weak human can't run very fast or long generally, and similarly a weak Avian wouldn't be able to fly for long or particularly fast, but they could still fly. That's why I don't see much need to have an increased minimum on the strength just to fly, and also why I suggested the Str x 2 max on armor and still being able to fly, to represent that muscles are needed to fly.

The bones thing is more one of pure ability. A human (real) couldn't fly even if we had wings because we're too heavy to lift ourselves with our muscles (We'd need pex that go two feet or so from our chest), thus in order for a human sized being to fly, it needs to be very light, and thus generally light bones. A 'noble' or 'high' race with denser bones would be unable to fly, and thus would be worse off. Instead the opposite would likely be true. The 'noble' group would have the lighter and more fragile bones, but be able to make use of vastly superior flight to outmaneuver the 'primitive' group. Also, intellect tends to be a much bigger factor in that kind of setup than raw strength. After all, from a raw strength perspective, human is about the worse spot you could possibly be, it is only our intellect that stops us going extinct.

[Platinum]

Changing it to a quality doesn't really do much. Like I said, even a weak human can walk, so I figure even a weak Avian can fly. A weak human can't run very fast or long generally, and similarly a weak Avian wouldn't be able to fly for long or particularly fast, but they could still fly. That's why I don't see much need to have an increased minimum on the strength just to fly, and also why I suggested the Str x 2 max on armor and still being able to fly, to represent that muscles are needed to fly.

The bones thing is more one of pure ability. A human (real) couldn't fly even if we had wings because we're too heavy to lift ourselves with our muscles (We'd need pex that go two feet or so from our chest), thus in order for a human sized being to fly, it needs to be very light, and thus generally light bones. A 'noble' or 'high' race with denser bones would be unable to fly, and thus would be worse off. Instead the opposite would likely be true. The 'noble' group would have the lighter and more fragile bones, but be able to make use of vastly superior flight to outmaneuver the 'primitive' group. Also, intellect tends to be a much bigger factor in that kind of setup than raw strength. After all, from a raw strength perspective, human is about the worse spot you could possibly be, it is only our intellect that stops us going extinct.

I counter that logic with 1. it is a fantasy setting, 2. they said the same things about bees 3. dragons would not be able to fly either.

[Matsci]

I counter that logic with 1. it is a fantasy setting, 2. they said the same things about bees 3. dragons would not be able to fly either.

1. No, it's a Cyberpunk setting with magic added.
2. The Person who said that about bees was a drunk grad student who assumed some very stupid things
3. Dragons explicitly fly with magic. The wings are more for maneuvering

[Platinum]

1. No, it's a Cyberpunk setting with magic added.
2. The Person who said that about bees was a drunk grad student who assumed some very stupid things
3. Dragons explicitly fly with magic. The wings are more for maneuvering

Fantasy:
fan·ta·sy (fān'tə-sē, -zē) n. pl. fan·ta·sies
1. The creative imagination; unrestrained fancy. See Synonyms at imagination.
2. Something, such as an invention, that is a creation of the fancy.

1. Fantasy the word meaning not based on reality. It's creative imagination.
2. Thanks for the false information, but it was published entomologist that said that, based on mathematical equations from an engineer. It was to prove a point that science and logic isn't infallible.
3. Yes, dragons fly with magic, what is stopping new creatures from using something similar, and not flying completely on science?