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[Omenowl]

Pick the most obscene character build using the 400bp and see how with equivalent karma build.

Negative qualities must be balanced with equal number of positive.
No more than 20 points in contacts
Usual limits for the build
All metatypes/races acceptable
5x attribute cost

Good luck

[Karoline]

Just for fun, I grabbed one of my own characters I'd made with BP and converted it to Karma.

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Race: Human 0
Attributes:200+10/320
Bod:5 40/70 Str:3(5) 20/25 Log:2 10/10 Edge:3 10/15
Agi:5(7) 40/70 Cha:2 10/10 Wil:3 20/25 Ess:3.36
Rea:3 20/25 Int:5 40/70 Ini:8 Magic:0

Qualities: 20-35/40-70
Hawk Eye 5
SURGE 15
Balance Recptor 5
Balance Tail 5
Insulating Pelt 5
Climate Adaptation 10
Ogre Stomach 5
Extravagant Eyes -5
Berserker -10
Prejudiced (Men, Biased) -10
Unusual Hair -5
Big Regret -5
SINner -5
Mild Addiction (Betel) -5
Mild Addiction (Guts) -5

Skills: 142/196
Longarms 6 24/44
Blades 4 16/22
Athletics 1 10/10
Climbing 1
Gymnastics 1
Running 1
Swimming 1
Infiltration 4 16/22
Outdoors 4 40/55
Navigation 4
Survival 4
Tracking 4
Perception 4 16/22
Armorer 1 4/4
Pilot Groundcraft 1 4/4
Automotive Mechanic 1 4/4
Negotiation 2 8/8

Knowledge Skills: 21 free/42
French 4 11
English 3 7
Algonquian N
North American Paranormal Critters 3 7
North American Critters 3 7
Local Geography 3 7
Combat Drugs 2 4
Botany 2 4
SURGE related news 1 2

Powers:

Contacts: 13/26
Smuggler L2/C4
Bounty Liaison L2/C5

Equipment: 50/100

Total Cost: 400/654

So, as you can see, despite the fact that she has several 5s in her stats, a skill at 6, and alot of skills at 4, and even paying for the knowledge skills, she comes out almost 100 karma cheaper. I think you're going to see this for any human. Like I keep saying, only in extreme examples and cases of maxing out a troll do you really run into BP being better.

[toturi]

Just for fun, I grabbed one of my own characters I'd made with BP and converted it to Karma.

So, as you can see, despite the fact that she has several 5s in her stats, a skill at 6, and alot of skills at 4, and even paying for the knowledge skills, she comes out almost 100 karma cheaper. I think you're going to see this for any human. Like I keep saying, only in extreme examples and cases of maxing out a troll do you really run into BP being better.

Except for the fact that BP is precisely for builds with such specialised performance, nobody denies that Karmagen is better for generalist builds.

[Karoline]

Except for the fact that BP is precisely for builds with such specialised performance, nobody denies that Karmagen is better for generalist builds.

My character with virtually nothing but maxed out skills/stats is a generalist? My character, who is a sniper specialist, is a generalist? I should also point out that under karmagen she would be even more specialized because she would have gotten the sniper rifle specialty, as well as several others, thus karmagen would have made her more specialized and less generalized.

Like I keep saying, BP is good at making trolls with maxed out body and strength, and that is about it, otherwise Karmagen is likely to give you the same character for a smaller price.

[toturi]

My character with virtually nothing but maxed out skills/stats is a generalist? My character, who is a sniper specialist, is a generalist? I should also point out that under karmagen she would be even more specialized because she would have gotten the sniper rifle specialty, as well as several others, thus karmagen would have made her more specialized and less generalized.

Like I keep saying, BP is good at making trolls with maxed out body and strength, and that is about it, otherwise Karmagen is likely to give you the same character for a smaller price.

Edge, Will and Reaction aren't soft-maxed, with points allocated to Strength and Cha.

However, I would admit it seems that karmagen remains the powergame build system of choice. Interesting.

[CeeJay]

However, I would admit it seems that karmagen remains the powergame build system of choice. Interesting.

That's my experience too. Usually, Karmagen characters will come out ahead of building point characters.

With the rare exception of awakened high-edge characters, since magic and edge karma costs fall under the cap of 375 karma for attributes...

-CJ