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FriendoftheDork
post Apr 16 2010, 12:50 PM
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Hey I want to continue the off topic discussion in "best shadowrun work" thread here.

First of all I must admit I made my own house rules for ammo inspired by.. Synner was it?

Anyway here is how I do it, I'd like other opinions (and the errata itself, can't really remember it).

Flechette: Old stats: +2 DV, +2 AP. Although not quite as powerful as EX-EX, this ammo is easily available and legal with license.
My stats: +2 DV, +5 AP (but max AP=armor. Leather jacket vs flechette or buckshot=fail). I believe the errata was very similar.

EX-EX: Old stats: +2 DV -2 AP. As listed, probably the best ammo there is as it can do good damage AND penetrate armor with ease.
My stats: +2 DV +1 AP. Slightly nerfed, making it worse than APDS at armor penetration but better at pure damage.

EX: As above, except DV=+1.

S&S: Old stats DV= 6S, regardless,AP= -half Armor.
My stats: DV=4S and all Tasers have -2 DV to compensate.

These are what I can think of ATM.
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Yerameyahu
post Apr 17 2010, 03:29 PM
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It could well be that they'd just make the book shorter, though. It's not necessarily true that 'your' pages are being 'wasted', anyway.
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