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Evilness45
post Apr 30 2010, 03:15 PM
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Ok, I'm trying to set up a game, and I want to make a sheet with every little houserules I want to implement before then.

Now, after visiting some forums and other chatrooms, I heard that monk, in 3rd edition, were kinda frail. This is mostly because they had to invest in several more attributes than most other classes. What I want to do here is to give them something extra that would give them an edge, and more worthwhile to play.

My intend is this: instead of having 3/4 attack bonus like a cleric, I would give them full attack bonus like a fighter.
This would give them more attacks (up to 6 attacks, at level 20) and it would make them more reliable in general.

I want opinions on this.
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post May 2 2010, 02:31 AM
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Feel free to explain why a Ranger is, but a Rogue isn't. The only other major difference between those two classes is the Ranger has fewer combat abilities, while the Rogue has a whole two extra skill points per level.

Do Rogues sit around in twiddling their fingers, chant arcane words, or otherwise frolic about while everyone else fights? No. Do they sit on their asses during a fight? No. They get right up into their enemies faces (or more correctly, behind their faces) and slice and dice away. Much like Monks. Out of combat, Rangers have just as much versatility as they do, just with a wilderness bent instead of an urban one.

And of course there's the minor fact that even in 4E, where they actually define classes by their style, a Rogue is very much a Martial class. The only reason a Monk isn't one is because they wanted to create a Psionic category of classes and felt a Monk was somehow psionic.

The whole idea of "specialty classes" is silly, especially since the list earlier in the thread is 100% arbitrary just to prove some wholly erroneous point. The only one that comes close is the Bard, and they're better described as a hybrid class (that should have been a prestige class, anyway).

You don't need a 1:1 attack progression to be a combat-oriented class.
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- Evilness45   DnD 3e monks   Apr 30 2010, 03:15 PM
- - Yerameyahu   3.0 or 3.5?   Apr 30 2010, 03:22 PM
- - Evilness45   3.5   Apr 30 2010, 03:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, I feel like the real reason Monks have troub...   Apr 30 2010, 03:55 PM
- - Evilness45   I don't really believe that they lack defense,...   Apr 30 2010, 04:17 PM
- - I Hate All life   Um, you are taking into account Flurry of Blows, a...   Apr 30 2010, 04:28 PM
- - Evilness45   I do realise that they have more than fighting abi...   Apr 30 2010, 04:36 PM
|- - Belvidere   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:36 AM...   May 2 2010, 03:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Heh, you're right, I meant d10. But your prob...   Apr 30 2010, 04:37 PM
- - Evilness45   Mmmyeh... maybe they are a rogue class. It's j...   Apr 30 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Totally. Or something with Trapfinding, like Scout...   Apr 30 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Evilness45   Also, maybe I was tainted by Baldur's gate 2, ...   Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM
- - Oehler the Black   See this is less a mechanical argument then a fluf...   May 1 2010, 09:43 AM
- - Evilness45   I didnt felt like a +2 or +3 additional attack bon...   May 1 2010, 03:03 PM
- - Dumori   all 18 rolls should always go monk! You get th...   May 1 2010, 03:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, the ranger's a martial class (d10, full BA...   May 1 2010, 03:16 PM
|- - Evilness45   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 1 2010, 11:16 AM)...   May 1 2010, 04:09 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 1 2010, 11:09 AM)...   May 1 2010, 05:49 PM
- - Tymire   QUOTE I don't expect them to try wierd builds ...   May 1 2010, 03:35 PM
- - Evilness45   Well, you say that monks are a "specialty...   May 1 2010, 11:10 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 1 2010, 06:10 PM)...   May 2 2010, 01:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Anyway, the point is that not all D&D is killi...   May 1 2010, 11:17 PM
- - Dumori   A multiclassed monk is deadly in so many ways. Tho...   May 1 2010, 11:39 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   To say that Monks and especially Rogues aren't...   May 2 2010, 01:45 AM
- - Yerameyahu   No, rogues aren't a martial class, either. Yes...   May 2 2010, 02:17 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Feel free to explain why a Ranger is, but a Rogue ...   May 2 2010, 02:31 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ May 1 2010, 10:3...   May 2 2010, 02:37 AM
- - Yerameyahu   There's always been a distinction between cast...   May 2 2010, 03:08 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You really can do some silly breaking of the Monk ...   May 2 2010, 04:22 AM
- - KarmaInferno   You really want to annoy and frustrate a DM? Make...   May 3 2010, 04:51 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Hehe, yes, but then it's so ungodly cheesy. H...   May 3 2010, 05:51 AM
- - Drace   Just adding in here as a former Monk addict in 3rd...   May 3 2010, 01:35 PM
- - Evilness45   What if they are not allowed to take vow of povert...   May 3 2010, 02:01 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 08:01 AM)...   May 3 2010, 02:33 PM
- - Evilness45   I'm sensing a bit of sarcasms here. Anyway, I ...   May 3 2010, 04:18 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 10:18 AM)...   May 3 2010, 04:51 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Oof, hostility. In fairness, Vow of Poverty is al...   May 3 2010, 04:56 PM
- - Evilness45   I saw them in action. I see their stats. I'm t...   May 3 2010, 05:32 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 11:32 AM)...   May 3 2010, 05:58 PM
- - Evilness45   I know that monks can hit stuff, usually. My probl...   May 3 2010, 06:04 PM
- - Dumori   The only think I monk needs in my eyes is to mulit...   May 3 2010, 06:11 PM
- - KarmaInferno   That high AC power attacking fighter is suddenly a...   May 3 2010, 07:12 PM
- - Karoline   Since one of the main cruxes of Evil's argumen...   May 4 2010, 03:32 PM
- - Evilness45   Which cool stuff can they do that only requires a ...   May 4 2010, 08:09 PM
- - Dumori   All it takes is one house rule and enchanted weapo...   May 4 2010, 08:17 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That, and there *are* any number of weapons a monk...   May 4 2010, 08:21 PM
- - Evilness45   Yea, but isnt it like 3 time as expensive? You wou...   May 4 2010, 08:49 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 02:49 PM)...   May 4 2010, 09:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, it's a weapon that can't be dropped,...   May 4 2010, 08:55 PM
- - Evilness45   Beside, that can't work either. I won't ha...   May 4 2010, 09:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Um. You're the GM. You decide if the store ha...   May 4 2010, 09:20 PM
- - Dumori   I remove the alignment restriction but fluff it as...   May 4 2010, 09:34 PM
- - Evilness45   I'll leave the alignment restriction. However,...   May 4 2010, 09:40 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 05:40 PM)...   May 5 2010, 03:57 AM
- - Dumori   Unless you have an artificer on your team... Those...   May 4 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Evilness45   Yeah, no. I want the players to like their items. ...   May 4 2010, 09:51 PM
|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 11:51 PM)...   May 5 2010, 05:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   There are handwraps in DDO, but DDO monks barely r...   May 5 2010, 04:08 AM
- - Evilness45   Fighters can grapple too, you know. They only have...   May 5 2010, 04:13 AM
- - Dumori   Best magic item I put it frount of my part was a v...   May 5 2010, 11:27 AM


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