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Evilness45
post Apr 30 2010, 03:15 PM
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Ok, I'm trying to set up a game, and I want to make a sheet with every little houserules I want to implement before then.

Now, after visiting some forums and other chatrooms, I heard that monk, in 3rd edition, were kinda frail. This is mostly because they had to invest in several more attributes than most other classes. What I want to do here is to give them something extra that would give them an edge, and more worthwhile to play.

My intend is this: instead of having 3/4 attack bonus like a cleric, I would give them full attack bonus like a fighter.
This would give them more attacks (up to 6 attacks, at level 20) and it would make them more reliable in general.

I want opinions on this.
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Karoline
post May 4 2010, 03:32 PM
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Since one of the main cruxes of Evil's argument is that monks can't hit anything, I should likely point out that at 20th level, a pure monk will only have 5 less attack, which corresponds to 25% less accuracy. Now, take into account that monks can do alot of their cool stuff against an opponents touch AC which is rarely above about 15, and I think you can see that monks shouldn't have problems hitting stuff. Also, due to their high mobility, they'll have little trouble claiming the +2 flanking bonus, so they tend to actually only be 15% less accurate. We'll not even get into the fact that they can sneak (faster than the fighter can run) and thus claim flat footed AC and a +4 bonus to attack.

So, without too much effort they can drop the opponents AC to 10 and get a +6 to attack. Honestly, if the monk can't hit stuff at that point, he needs to be throwing himself off the top of the monastery tower (not that it'd do much thanks to slowfall).
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- Evilness45   DnD 3e monks   Apr 30 2010, 03:15 PM
- - Yerameyahu   3.0 or 3.5?   Apr 30 2010, 03:22 PM
- - Evilness45   3.5   Apr 30 2010, 03:23 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, I feel like the real reason Monks have troub...   Apr 30 2010, 03:55 PM
- - Evilness45   I don't really believe that they lack defense,...   Apr 30 2010, 04:17 PM
- - I Hate All life   Um, you are taking into account Flurry of Blows, a...   Apr 30 2010, 04:28 PM
- - Evilness45   I do realise that they have more than fighting abi...   Apr 30 2010, 04:36 PM
|- - Belvidere   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ Apr 30 2010, 11:36 AM...   May 2 2010, 03:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Heh, you're right, I meant d10. But your prob...   Apr 30 2010, 04:37 PM
- - Evilness45   Mmmyeh... maybe they are a rogue class. It's j...   Apr 30 2010, 04:40 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Totally. Or something with Trapfinding, like Scout...   Apr 30 2010, 04:42 PM
- - Evilness45   Also, maybe I was tainted by Baldur's gate 2, ...   Apr 30 2010, 04:46 PM
- - Oehler the Black   See this is less a mechanical argument then a fluf...   May 1 2010, 09:43 AM
- - Evilness45   I didnt felt like a +2 or +3 additional attack bon...   May 1 2010, 03:03 PM
- - Dumori   all 18 rolls should always go monk! You get th...   May 1 2010, 03:07 PM
- - Yerameyahu   No, the ranger's a martial class (d10, full BA...   May 1 2010, 03:16 PM
|- - Evilness45   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 1 2010, 11:16 AM)...   May 1 2010, 04:09 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 1 2010, 11:09 AM)...   May 1 2010, 05:49 PM
- - Tymire   QUOTE I don't expect them to try wierd builds ...   May 1 2010, 03:35 PM
- - Evilness45   Well, you say that monks are a "specialty...   May 1 2010, 11:10 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 1 2010, 06:10 PM)...   May 2 2010, 01:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Anyway, the point is that not all D&D is killi...   May 1 2010, 11:17 PM
- - Dumori   A multiclassed monk is deadly in so many ways. Tho...   May 1 2010, 11:39 PM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   To say that Monks and especially Rogues aren't...   May 2 2010, 01:45 AM
- - Yerameyahu   No, rogues aren't a martial class, either. Yes...   May 2 2010, 02:17 AM
- - Dr. Funkenstein   Feel free to explain why a Ranger is, but a Rogue ...   May 2 2010, 02:31 AM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Dr. Funkenstein @ May 1 2010, 10:3...   May 2 2010, 02:37 AM
- - Yerameyahu   There's always been a distinction between cast...   May 2 2010, 03:08 AM
- - Yerameyahu   You really can do some silly breaking of the Monk ...   May 2 2010, 04:22 AM
- - KarmaInferno   You really want to annoy and frustrate a DM? Make...   May 3 2010, 04:51 AM
- - Yerameyahu   Hehe, yes, but then it's so ungodly cheesy. H...   May 3 2010, 05:51 AM
- - Drace   Just adding in here as a former Monk addict in 3rd...   May 3 2010, 01:35 PM
- - Evilness45   What if they are not allowed to take vow of povert...   May 3 2010, 02:01 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 08:01 AM)...   May 3 2010, 02:33 PM
- - Evilness45   I'm sensing a bit of sarcasms here. Anyway, I ...   May 3 2010, 04:18 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 10:18 AM)...   May 3 2010, 04:51 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Oof, hostility. In fairness, Vow of Poverty is al...   May 3 2010, 04:56 PM
- - Evilness45   I saw them in action. I see their stats. I'm t...   May 3 2010, 05:32 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 3 2010, 11:32 AM)...   May 3 2010, 05:58 PM
- - Evilness45   I know that monks can hit stuff, usually. My probl...   May 3 2010, 06:04 PM
- - Dumori   The only think I monk needs in my eyes is to mulit...   May 3 2010, 06:11 PM
- - KarmaInferno   That high AC power attacking fighter is suddenly a...   May 3 2010, 07:12 PM
- - Karoline   Since one of the main cruxes of Evil's argumen...   May 4 2010, 03:32 PM
- - Evilness45   Which cool stuff can they do that only requires a ...   May 4 2010, 08:09 PM
- - Dumori   All it takes is one house rule and enchanted weapo...   May 4 2010, 08:17 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That, and there *are* any number of weapons a monk...   May 4 2010, 08:21 PM
- - Evilness45   Yea, but isnt it like 3 time as expensive? You wou...   May 4 2010, 08:49 PM
|- - I Hate All Life   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 02:49 PM)...   May 4 2010, 09:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Well, it's a weapon that can't be dropped,...   May 4 2010, 08:55 PM
- - Evilness45   Beside, that can't work either. I won't ha...   May 4 2010, 09:03 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Um. You're the GM. You decide if the store ha...   May 4 2010, 09:20 PM
- - Dumori   I remove the alignment restriction but fluff it as...   May 4 2010, 09:34 PM
- - Evilness45   I'll leave the alignment restriction. However,...   May 4 2010, 09:40 PM
|- - Karoline   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 05:40 PM)...   May 5 2010, 03:57 AM
- - Dumori   Unless you have an artificer on your team... Those...   May 4 2010, 09:47 PM
- - Evilness45   Yeah, no. I want the players to like their items. ...   May 4 2010, 09:51 PM
|- - Manunancy   QUOTE (Evilness45 @ May 4 2010, 11:51 PM)...   May 5 2010, 05:28 AM
- - Yerameyahu   There are handwraps in DDO, but DDO monks barely r...   May 5 2010, 04:08 AM
- - Evilness45   Fighters can grapple too, you know. They only have...   May 5 2010, 04:13 AM
- - Dumori   Best magic item I put it frount of my part was a v...   May 5 2010, 11:27 AM


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