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Egon
post Sep 27 2005, 11:24 PM
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Turn to Goo (Physical)
Type: P • Range: LOS • Duration: S • DV: (F ÷ 2) + 2
Turn to Goo transforms living tissue into a sticky, gluelike
substance. The caster must win an Opposed Test pitting
her Magic + Spellcasting against the target’s Body (+
Counterspelling). Additionally, the spell’s Force must equal
or exceed the target’s Body. Non-living material—including
clothing, gear, and cyberware—is not affected. The target is
not conscious while under the effects of this spell, and any
damage suffered by the gooey form affects the target normally.
The goo has a barrier Armor rating equal to Body +
net hits (see Barriers, p. 157).


My mage showed me this along with his interruption and I almost s**t my self. This spell turns your flesh to goo, but not your cyberware. They wonder why Sams geek the mage as quick as they can, with as much overkill as they can muster.

Example: Mage sees human street sam pumped up with headware and speedware. Uses Turn to Goo force 5 takes a few boxes of stun. Walks over and scoops 200,000 of cyberware out of the goo. Releases the spell and tries to stop laughing at the now blind, death , one armed man in front of him as he walks off to pawn his bag of cyberware.

I would like to know what moron thought this was a good idea. This really keeps the game balanced. Things like this need to stop popping up in the magic sections of shadowrun books so I can stop having arguments with mages. The magic sections of book should be the hardest looked at for unbalancing items. I can’t use the laws of physics to explain why this can’t be done. Common sense doesn’t apply to magic so it would really help if the editor would keep things like this out of the main book.
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- Egon   Turn to Goo   Sep 27 2005, 11:24 PM
- - calypso   They aren't goo in the sense that you can scoo...   Sep 27 2005, 11:45 PM
- - Egon   QUOTE (calypso) They aren't goo in the sense t...   Sep 28 2005, 12:09 AM
- - evil1i   QUOTE (Egon) I hit his Cybereyes, or cyber what ev...   Sep 28 2005, 12:34 AM
- - hyzmarca   Scoop the goo up into a plastic bag, dump it out i...   Sep 28 2005, 12:39 AM
- - Oracle   I dislike this spell. I think it does not fit to t...   Sep 28 2005, 06:17 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   I'm not a big fan of insta-kill spells anyway,...   Sep 28 2005, 06:23 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Oracle)I dislike this spell. I think it doe...   Sep 28 2005, 06:46 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   chickens don't fly. Their evil malevolence (no...   Sep 28 2005, 06:54 AM
- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Oracle) I dislike this spell. I think it do...   Sep 28 2005, 07:48 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (NightmareX)This one's actually been a p...   Sep 28 2005, 07:55 AM
- - Oracle   I think they removed it from canon with good reaso...   Sep 28 2005, 08:14 AM
- - mintcar   The drain for a decent transform spell in SR3 was ...   Sep 28 2005, 08:31 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, a Force 1 spell usually is a good exampl...   Sep 28 2005, 08:36 AM
- - mintcar   Yes but with Shapechange, there is no real reason ...   Sep 28 2005, 09:01 AM
- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Oracle) I think they removed it from canon ...   Sep 28 2005, 09:15 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Considering how important Attributes are in SR4, S...   Sep 28 2005, 09:15 AM
- - mintcar   It´s an EXTREMELY powerful spell on Force 1! T...   Sep 28 2005, 09:22 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, that already would provide a bonus of +1...   Sep 28 2005, 09:31 AM
- - mintcar   That will obviously not be the case in my game. I´...   Sep 28 2005, 09:55 AM
- - Fortune   Neither Turn To Goo nor Petrify exist in my games.   Sep 28 2005, 11:06 AM
- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Fortune) Neither Turn To Goo nor Petrify ex...   Sep 28 2005, 11:10 AM
- - Fortune   Probably 75% of the characters I play are awakened...   Sep 28 2005, 11:37 AM
- - NightmareX   QUOTE (Fortune) Probably 75% of the characters I p...   Sep 28 2005, 12:00 PM
- - Ancient History   Petrify has a long and honorable history, but I...   Sep 28 2005, 12:07 PM
- - calypso   Just a couple things: Shapechange can only be cas...   Sep 28 2005, 02:14 PM
- - Nikoli   So is levitate when used properly, so we can't...   Sep 28 2005, 02:15 PM
- - calypso   QUOTE (Nikoli) So is levitate when used properly, ...   Sep 28 2005, 02:18 PM
- - Nikoli   Fair enough, but a lot of folks have said because ...   Sep 28 2005, 02:22 PM
- - Azralon   "Save or Die" spells have always been my...   Sep 28 2005, 02:41 PM
- - Reaver   QUOTE (mintcar) Yes but with Shapechange, there is...   Sep 28 2005, 04:57 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I don't understand the problem with Save or Di...   Sep 28 2005, 04:59 PM
- - Egon   QUOTE (Reaver) QUOTE (mintcar @ Sep 28 2005, ...   Sep 28 2005, 05:33 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I don't understand the p...   Sep 28 2005, 06:35 PM
- - Nikoli   Actually, a sniper rifle, properly applied is more...   Sep 28 2005, 06:39 PM
- - mintcar   QUOTE (Reaver @ Sep 28 2005, 11:57 AM) QUOTE ...   Sep 28 2005, 06:48 PM
- - mintcar   If your character is hit by a sniper shot, I guess...   Sep 28 2005, 06:58 PM
- - Egon   QUOTE Turn to Goo (Physical) Type: P • Range: LOS...   Sep 28 2005, 07:53 PM
- - Earthwalker   I wonder how being goo effects a technomancers abi...   Sep 28 2005, 08:23 PM
- - Nikoli   probably turns them "off" while transfor...   Sep 28 2005, 08:28 PM
- - calypso   QUOTE (Earthwalker) I wonder how being goo effects...   Sep 28 2005, 08:30 PM
- - Egon   QUOTE (Earthwalker) I wonder how being goo effects...   Sep 28 2005, 08:31 PM
- - Azralon   I just like the idea of toting your kidnapping vic...   Sep 28 2005, 09:01 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (Egon) QUOTE Turn to Goo (Physical) Type: P...   Sep 28 2005, 09:28 PM
- - Siege   The one blurb requiring a Force greater than or eq...   Sep 29 2005, 01:12 AM
- - blakkie   The toughest part about the limitation of Force ...   Sep 29 2005, 01:24 AM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (blakkie) The toughest part about the limita...   Sep 30 2005, 01:00 PM
- - Fizzygoo   Um...yeah...well...I kinda like the spell... ...   Oct 1 2005, 03:52 AM
- - jervinator   Don't bother getting tricky unless you are God...   Oct 1 2005, 04:36 AM
- - calypso   Ignite is vicious. Unfortunately, you have to sus...   Oct 1 2005, 04:45 AM
- - Fizzygoo   I really love the new magic system. I thought I ha...   Oct 1 2005, 05:21 AM
- - calypso   Yep, that limit is a good thing. I bought a Force...   Oct 1 2005, 05:32 AM
- - Fizzygoo   "Grip it by the husk."   Oct 1 2005, 06:35 PM
- - calypso   QUOTE (Fizzygoo) "Grip it by the husk."   Oct 1 2005, 07:45 PM
- - Superbum   Where in the spell description does it say that it...   Oct 3 2005, 03:08 PM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (Superbum) Where in the spell description do...   Oct 3 2005, 03:16 PM
- - NightRain   QUOTE (snowRaven) True... but what would happen t...   Oct 3 2005, 04:03 PM
- - mintcar   That´s might just be the surface. I´m imagining a ...   Oct 3 2005, 04:29 PM
- - calypso   QUOTE (mintcar) That´s might just be the surface. ...   Oct 3 2005, 05:30 PM
- - snowRaven   I'd say the barrier rating simulates the subst...   Oct 3 2005, 05:55 PM
- - calypso   QUOTE (snowRaven) I'd say the barrier rating s...   Oct 3 2005, 05:58 PM
- - Shadow_Prophet   QUOTE (snowRaven) I'd say the barrier rating s...   Oct 3 2005, 06:06 PM
- - snowRaven   QUOTE (calypso) QUOTE (mintcar @ Oct 3 2005, ...   Oct 3 2005, 06:51 PM
- - Superbum   Ok, well lets say it does make them into a puddle ...   Oct 3 2005, 06:51 PM
- - hyzmarca   When the spell drops the puddle reforms into a per...   Oct 3 2005, 07:58 PM
- - Siege   The the goo-shape spell...long live the blob! ...   Oct 3 2005, 08:20 PM
- - mintcar   I wouldn´t say crunchy on the outside. But I would...   Oct 3 2005, 08:50 PM
- - Nikoli   I keep picturing Airplane 2...   Oct 3 2005, 08:51 PM
- - Trax   QUOTE (calypso) Just a couple things: Shapechange...   Oct 3 2005, 09:39 PM
- - Lindt   Additionally, the spell’s Force must equal or exce...   Oct 4 2005, 07:09 PM
- - Siege   Or wash it down a drain - but still easier than so...   Oct 4 2005, 08:53 PM
- - Lindt   But do YOU have a handy dandy high pressure hose t...   Oct 4 2005, 10:18 PM
- - Siege   I smell a new spell for the new Grimoire book... ...   Oct 4 2005, 10:33 PM
- - Jaid   actually, i would think something like vinegar mig...   Oct 4 2005, 10:36 PM
- - Trax   QUOTE (Lindt) But do YOU have a handy dandy high p...   Oct 5 2005, 02:26 AM
- - Lung Han   QUOTE (Egon @ Sep 28 2005, 02:53 PM) QUOTE Tu...   Oct 13 2005, 08:53 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Install a Pilot on the Cyberarm... give it preset ...   Oct 13 2005, 09:33 AM
- - Fleinhoy   Hey fellas, this is my first post here, just thoug...   Oct 13 2005, 09:47 AM
- - Dim Sum   GM: FRT troopers pour out of the Citymaster. *Roll...   Oct 13 2005, 09:48 AM
- - Jaid   just out of curiosity, that's one thing i neve...   Oct 13 2005, 09:28 PM
- - Siege   That's come up quite a bit. And it depends on...   Oct 13 2005, 09:33 PM
- - Azralon   There are canon rules regarding how obvious the ac...   Oct 13 2005, 09:41 PM
- - PlatonicPimp   And they are....   Oct 13 2005, 09:54 PM
- - hahnsoo   QUOTE (PlatonicPimp @ Oct 13 2005, 04:54 PM) ...   Oct 13 2005, 10:04 PM
- - Dim Sum   Jaid, other than the perception rules for noticing...   Oct 14 2005, 07:48 AM
- - Fleinhoy   No, magic is not all that easy to spot with the na...   Oct 14 2005, 09:42 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Fleinhoy @ Oct 14 2005, 07:42 PM) No, ...   Oct 14 2005, 09:45 AM
- - Fleinhoy   In a combat situation, with bullets, sams and adep...   Oct 14 2005, 02:50 PM
- - Siege   Considering the overwhelming oomph that magic can ...   Oct 14 2005, 03:26 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   as per the rules when the mage casts the spell its...   Oct 14 2005, 04:07 PM
- - Akimbo   When we played SR3, our hermetic mage always cast ...   Oct 14 2005, 04:08 PM
- - Azralon   "Observe in Detail" is a Simple Action. ...   Oct 14 2005, 04:16 PM
- - Akimbo   QUOTE (Azralon) "Observe in Detail" is a...   Oct 14 2005, 04:18 PM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Akimbo) QUOTE (Azralon @ Oct 14 2005, ...   Oct 14 2005, 04:20 PM
- - Azralon   In Shadowrun, magic is inherently not overt. It...   Oct 14 2005, 04:35 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Azralon) In Shadowrun, magic is inherently ...   Oct 14 2005, 04:44 PM
- - Akimbo   Although I do recall one of the books mentioning t...   Oct 14 2005, 04:44 PM
- - Jaid   i could've swore it said nothing was needed......   Oct 14 2005, 04:59 PM
- - Akimbo   Yeah I just checked my SR3 book. It does say you ...   Oct 14 2005, 05:10 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Akimbo) Although I do recall one of the boo...   Oct 14 2005, 05:11 PM
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