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Azralon
post Sep 30 2005, 07:50 PM
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Steven Siegal would be spinning in his futuristic 2070 grave. Which would be bad, unless Ares mounted him as a rotating museum display or something.

Feel free to correct my memory on the SR4 game rules, but it looks like a non-augmented, non-magical maximized human can't easily drop pedestrians in one punch anymore. Well, on average, anyway: it's not impossible, just improbable.

So your maximum human Agility is 6, and your maximum Unarmed Combat skill is 6. Let's say you buy Exceptional Attribute and Aptitude appropriately for 7 & 7. Then you buy some sort of Unarmed Combat specialization, and you're throwing 7 (Agility) + 9 (Skill) = 16 dice. Your strength is 6, of course, bringing your base damage to 3.

So on average you'll be making 5.33 hits on your Unarmed roll. Assuming your target has a 3 Reaction, that'll likely negate 1 net hit. So the target has 7 DV incoming. That won't even drop Aunt May.

Let's make it a called shot to the head, then, for a -4 pool penalty and +4 DV. That means you're rolling 12 dice, getting an average of 4 hits. Your target's average Reaction drops that to 3 hits, giving you a net DV offering of 3+3+4=10. Unfortunately your average human also has a 3 Body, which means on average 1 hit and therefore 9 boxes of Stun taken. This is one shy of the average human's 10 Stun capacity. He's still awake enough to cry (gurgle) for help.

Extending the Marvel comic book references, this means that Captain America will likely need two hits to lay out your average Joe (unless he spends Edge).
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- Azralon   One-shot KOs of pedestrians   Sep 30 2005, 07:50 PM
- - Xenith   Fist fights usually last a bit longer than 3 secon...   Sep 30 2005, 08:00 PM
- - Egon   Well at least toddlers will stop dropping dead jus...   Sep 30 2005, 08:00 PM
- - Wasabi   So ambush them (Only Body to defend with) and use ...   Sep 30 2005, 08:03 PM
- - Nikoli   There is also the sucker punch. hit a target that...   Sep 30 2005, 08:09 PM
- - Azralon   Sucker punches are valid, and unfortunately get yo...   Sep 30 2005, 08:16 PM
- - Nikoli   well, to be fair, the dragon would/should be consi...   Sep 30 2005, 08:18 PM
- - hyzmarca   Reasonably, a "sucker punch" should equl...   Sep 30 2005, 08:21 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I'll add that it isn't even a single punch...   Sep 30 2005, 08:59 PM
- - Dogsoup   4 Hits, Critical Success: Player1 "-I want to...   Sep 30 2005, 09:03 PM
- - hahnsoo   Some notes (that may or may not help much): Attack...   Sep 30 2005, 09:57 PM
- - hobgoblin   if one could KO a person as untrained with one blo...   Sep 30 2005, 10:08 PM
- - mintcar   This discussion reminds me of when the rest of the...   Sep 30 2005, 10:10 PM
- - Squinky   People don't ussaully get knocked out cold muc...   Sep 30 2005, 10:14 PM
- - hobgoblin   well there was the professionality rating. ie, peo...   Sep 30 2005, 10:16 PM
- - mintcar   QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Sep 30 2005, 05:08 PM) if ...   Sep 30 2005, 10:26 PM
- - Squinky   I've had my vision cloud up and even fell down...   Sep 30 2005, 10:39 PM
- - mintcar   Yeah. I guess there was only one person who actual...   Sep 30 2005, 10:43 PM
- - hobgoblin   martial arts and boxing (isnt it yet another marti...   Oct 1 2005, 10:18 AM
- - Gort   Generally speaking, in the fist fights I've be...   Oct 1 2005, 10:53 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Most Clubs now do Physical Damage.   Oct 1 2005, 11:05 AM
- - mintcar   I don´t think a KO should be concidered battering ...   Oct 1 2005, 12:12 PM
- - Narmio   There is a game mechanic to handle this. Knockdow...   Oct 1 2005, 02:54 PM
- - Kagetenshi   A technical knockout (TKO) is awarded by a referee...   Oct 1 2005, 03:40 PM
- - mfb   i'd say KO'ing an aware, defending opponen...   Oct 1 2005, 05:07 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (Squinky) I've had my vision cloud up an...   Oct 3 2005, 03:26 AM
- - Siege   It depends on the person and the nature of the blo...   Oct 3 2005, 03:39 AM
- - hobgoblin   a baseball bat to the back of the head may well cr...   Oct 3 2005, 11:45 AM
- - Siege   Oooh, a valid use for the cyberskull! -Sie...   Oct 3 2005, 03:57 PM
- - Azralon   QUOTE (Siege @ Oct 2 2005, 11:39 PM) A world-...   Oct 3 2005, 06:45 PM


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