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Quick show of hands - PCs using leadership on other PCs to get them to do what they want when the players/characters can't agree. Is this acceptable use of the rules as written, or should it be used only on NPCs?
I think its something that should be discouraged, but still quite happily allowed. I tend to take the view that if it can be used by PCs vs NPCs, then it should be usable by NPCs vs NPCs and NPCs vs PCs and PCs vs PCs if desired. And if it can't be used against players, then it can't be used against anyone else. Had a player complain about it last night is all. We were on a corp military style campaign, and the commanding PC gave another PC an order which he refused. It was mid combat, so I ruled a successful leadership test could force the issue. A different player to the one 'ordered' complained and said that it was sucky. Hell, i was just trying to move the game along a bit faster and to cut down on unrealistic conversation during combat, but the player seemed really offended. Have I overstepped a line somewhere? Oh, in case I need to say - this is SR3 not SR4. And the guy with the leadership skill only got one success, so I ruled that the ordered player still had a choice but was 'inclined' to go along with it for now and argue about it later. |
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spotlite do as I say, not as you think... Dec 2 2005, 11:56 AM
Sicarius I can understand why you did what you did. (the hu... Dec 2 2005, 12:19 PM Critias I'd give or take away some karma, depending on... Dec 2 2005, 12:26 PM spotlite Thanks for your thoughts. the commanding player is... Dec 2 2005, 12:40 PM Fuchs I'd lean to "player ultimately chooses wh... Dec 2 2005, 01:08 PM Critias I'm of the opinion ANY skill can be used again... Dec 2 2005, 01:14 PM Ryu Generally: It can be rolled, it should be roleplay... Dec 2 2005, 01:41 PM toturi I think it is quite a bit easier to influence a PC... Dec 2 2005, 03:37 PM SL James QUOTE (spotlite)Quick show of hands - PCs using le... Dec 2 2005, 04:35 PM Straight Razor Well... IMO
This really all comes down to players... Dec 2 2005, 04:55 PM mfb i try to avoid having players roll social skills a... Dec 2 2005, 05:25 PM mmu1 I think the rules probably allow the use of the Le... Dec 2 2005, 06:38 PM The Stainless Steel Rat QUOTE (mmu1)...the GM or the other players have no... Dec 2 2005, 07:11 PM Critias That's allright. Normally I just spew sarcasm... Dec 2 2005, 07:18 PM mmu1 QUOTE (The Stainless Steel Rat) The PC was never f... Dec 2 2005, 07:19 PM SL James QUOTE (mmu1 @ Dec 2 2005, 12:38 PM) That bein... Dec 2 2005, 07:22 PM mmu1 QUOTE (SL James) QUOTE (mmu1 @ Dec 2 2005, 12... Dec 2 2005, 07:47 PM toturi I've been reading up the Social Skills rules f... Dec 3 2005, 12:04 AM SL James HAHAHA
That's awesome. Really. Let's star... Dec 3 2005, 12:07 AM Dog (shrug)
I wouldn't let a PC influence another ... Dec 3 2005, 12:49 AM Syd It's a question of how much the players metaga... Dec 3 2005, 01:10 AM Syd QUOTE (Dog)(shrug)
I wouldn't let a PC influen... Dec 3 2005, 01:14 AM Dog I'll presume that wasn't rhetorical.
I... Dec 3 2005, 01:24 AM Dog QUOTE (Syd) It's a question of how much the pl... Dec 3 2005, 01:34 AM caramel frappuccino Do you guys allow PCs to roll Intelligence to come... Dec 3 2005, 01:58 AM eidolon If the game was a concept game, such as a military... Dec 3 2005, 02:03 AM Dog QUOTE (caramel frappuccino) Do you guys allow PCs ... Dec 3 2005, 02:49 AM Taran I would never permit a PC to control another PC... Dec 3 2005, 02:53 AM Syd Do I allow an Int check for horrendously shitty id... Dec 3 2005, 03:58 AM Glyph I would never compel a PC to react a certain way t... Dec 3 2005, 04:11 AM fistandantilus3.0 The problem, as I see it, is one that comes up the... Dec 3 2005, 06:31 AM tisoz QUOTE (mmu1 @ Dec 2 2005, 12:38 PM) That bein... Dec 3 2005, 06:55 AM mmu1 QUOTE (SL James @ Dec 2 2005, 08:07 PM) HAHAH... Dec 3 2005, 07:09 AM Critias QUOTE (mmu1) QUOTE (SL James @ Dec 2 2005, 08... Dec 3 2005, 07:23 AM tisoz And comparing Control Thoughts (which many seem to... Dec 3 2005, 07:31 AM caramel frappuccino Hey Critias, since you completely parallel Pistols... Dec 3 2005, 07:34 AM Critias No, they can't, but your absurd rhetorical que... Dec 3 2005, 08:57 AM Glyph Torture and mind control, to me, are slightly diff... Dec 3 2005, 09:06 AM eidolon Damn fine post, Glyph. Dec 3 2005, 09:13 AM Critias Somehow, Mal still bosses Jayne around an awful lo... Dec 3 2005, 09:17 AM tisoz QUOTE (Glyph) Will your shy decker-girl, who is wa... Dec 3 2005, 10:04 AM Dog I agree with you 100%, Glyph. Call me a crying li... Dec 3 2005, 03:01 PM mmu1 QUOTE (Critias) QUOTE (mmu1 @ Dec 3 2005, 02:... Dec 3 2005, 03:21 PM SL James QUOTE (Dog @ Dec 3 2005, 09:01 AM) I agree wi... Dec 3 2005, 04:51 PM dog_xinu I have never been in your shoes with one character... Dec 3 2005, 04:54 PM Dog QUOTE (SL James) [That's a pretty significant ... Dec 3 2005, 08:39 PM Syd SL James (who I agree with) raises the crux of the... Dec 3 2005, 09:09 PM caramel frappuccino QUOTE (tisoz)QUOTE (Glyph)The other thing about to... Dec 3 2005, 11:08 PM tisoz QUOTE (caramel frappuccino) QUOTE (tisoz)QUOTE (Gl... Dec 4 2005, 12:44 AM caramel frappuccino QUOTE (tisoz)Maybe you need to point out the ambig... Dec 4 2005, 01:08 AM tisoz QUOTE (caramel frappuccino) QUOTE (tisoz)Maybe you... Dec 4 2005, 01:23 AM Glyph I have a problem with someone's character esse... Dec 4 2005, 01:47 AM caramel frappuccino QUOTE (tisoz)It gives an example of different degr... Dec 4 2005, 01:51 AM SL James QUOTE (Glyph @ Dec 3 2005, 07:47 PM)But the o... Dec 4 2005, 02:24 AM ShadowDragon8685 Because if you can use Social skills to dictate an... Dec 4 2005, 02:30 AM SL James He might as well not play if his character can or ... Dec 4 2005, 02:31 AM ShadowDragon8685 There's a difference. When he's getting ki... Dec 4 2005, 02:32 AM Glyph I wasn't claiming any high-and-mighty principl... Dec 4 2005, 02:59 AM TheNarrator Social skills allow you to influence people, not t... Dec 4 2005, 03:55 AM ShadowDragon8685 Even if it's Dikoted armor-piercing silverware... Dec 4 2005, 04:07 AM Dog Queary: Anybody used a social skill to influence ... Dec 4 2005, 04:13 AM brohopcp Yes
One of my characters was "motivated... Dec 4 2005, 05:28 AM ShadowDragon8685 Did it also 'motivate' you to build the bi... Dec 4 2005, 05:03 PM SL James QUOTE (Dog) Queary: Anybody used a social skill t... Dec 4 2005, 05:34 PM PoorHobo In this instance the GM railroaded his player. Di... Dec 4 2005, 06:00 PM Critias Right. Because, y'know, "kill your famil... Dec 4 2005, 06:29 PM ShadowDragon8685 "Kill your family and give me all your money... Dec 4 2005, 10:38 PM PoorHobo QUOTE (Critias)Right. Because, y'know, ... Dec 4 2005, 11:16 PM Glyph QUOTE (Critias)Right. Because, y'know, ... Dec 5 2005, 01:47 AM SL James Am I alone in having seen The Godfather Part II? Dec 5 2005, 02:36 AM eidolon I can't think of a scene that would elucidate ... Dec 5 2005, 02:46 AM SL James I was thinking more along the lines of the part wh... Dec 5 2005, 05:07 AM eidolon Ah. But in such a case, aren't there most lik... Dec 5 2005, 05:11 AM tisoz QUOTE (PoorHobo) In thsi case it was a minor infra... Dec 5 2005, 07:01 AM PoorHobo True, You and others who advocated using social sk... Dec 5 2005, 08:39 AM Critias Using social skills on someone -- skills like nego... Dec 5 2005, 09:04 AM tisoz QUOTE (PoorHobo)Its really a strong selling point.... Dec 5 2005, 09:29 AM toturi Leadership and Negotiation are the 2 skills that c... Dec 5 2005, 12:12 PM Dog QUOTE (Critias) I'm sorry if allowing the use ... Dec 5 2005, 12:56 PM SL James QUOTE (eidolon @ Dec 4 2005, 11:11 PM) Ah.... Dec 5 2005, 05:38 PM TheHappyAnarchist I think what is being said here is that social ski... Dec 6 2005, 12:08 AM eidolon QUOTE (SL James)I'll take that as a "no.... Dec 6 2005, 01:45 AM Dog Why is he so angry about this? Dec 6 2005, 02:03 AM eidolon Not sure. Bad day, maybe? (Gorb knows I just had... Dec 6 2005, 02:06 AM dog_xinu Well on a slightly similar topic. In my game I ha... Dec 6 2005, 05:25 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (eidolon @ Dec 5 2005, 08:45 PM) QUOTE ... Dec 6 2005, 06:52 AM Dog I think we're just repeating ourselves now. H... Dec 6 2005, 01:31 PM Critias The problem is that you shouldn't always ditch... Dec 6 2005, 01:42 PM hyzmarca The term metagaming refers to using OOC knowledge ... Dec 6 2005, 02:23 PM tisoz QUOTE (eidolon) QUOTE (SL James)I'm just wonde... Dec 6 2005, 03:04 PM Critias And those rules rely on one person giving orders, ... Dec 6 2005, 03:23 PM ShadowDragon8685 Oi. This is a mess.
I don't get it. D&D n... Dec 6 2005, 04:10 PM tisoz Your arguement seems to be there should not be any... Dec 6 2005, 04:34 PM ShadowDragon8685 Actually, it's not. But using social skills is... Dec 6 2005, 04:42 PM tisoz A player who builds a combat monster and decides t... Dec 6 2005, 04:53 PM Dawnshadow QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Actually, it's not. B... Dec 6 2005, 05:33 PM Critias Ding ding ding.
Someone finally fucking gets it... Dec 6 2005, 05:45 PM The Stainless Steel Rat Excerpt from a recent game (mostly on topic, NPC u... Dec 6 2005, 06:20 PM TheHappyAnarchist Absolutely. Is swearing okay for emphasis on this... Dec 6 2005, 06:24 PM
Dog hyzmarca: thanks for the explanation.
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