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 Dec 2 2005, 06:20 PM
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Grumpy Old Ork Decker  Group: Admin Posts: 3,794 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orwell, Ohio Member No.: 50  |
Not to pick on MFB, but I've seen people mention stuff like this regarding buying hits, and his was just the most recent example. And honestly? He's wrong. p55, SR4 Buying Hits If the gamemaster allows it, a character may trade in 4 dice fron her dice pool in exchange for an automatic hit. Gamemasters should only allow this when the character has an exceptionally large dice pool (and is unlikely to fail) or when the situation is non-threatening and non-stressful. If the character might suffer bad consequences from failing the test, then the gamemaster should require her to roll the test rather than buying hits. Buying hits is an alll-or-nothing affair; you cannot spend part of your pool to buy hits and then make a test with the rest. Now this says to me several things (And this was the intention behind this rule when we playtested it, at least as far as I know). Number one, 4 dice is not an exceptionally large dice pool. Sure, you had a ton of dice before hand, but not anymore after modifiers. And the final dice tally is what should count here. You're not likely to roll zero failures on 13 or 15 dice, it's somewhat likely on only 4. Number two, and this is the most important thing people overlook, is that the situation is supposed to be non-threatening and non-stressful. This means you can't do it to pick a lock when there are sec guards wandering around, you can't use it to stealth past a Lone Star patrol, and you certainly can't use it in any sort of combat situation. Especially in combination with the "character might suffer bad consequences from failing the test" part of it. The example in the book is for searching a room. Other examples would be while making a casual minor reapir on a vehicle, or while... you know, there really aren't many situations that I can see this rule really applying to, that aren't almost 100% Roleplay oriented, when you want to avoid getting bogged down with rules and rolling dice. Which was the entire point of the rule. Instead folks seem determined to use this as an example of how the game is broken and caters to power gamers. The only reason this rule might do that is if the GM allows it. And if the GM is allowing it, and you feel it's a problem, well... That's a problem with the GM and both his and your fellow RPG group members play styles, and not a fault of the rules. Bull |
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Bull Buying Hits Dec 2 2005, 06:20 PM
Zen Shooter01 This rule just struck me as useless. Like Bull say... Dec 2 2005, 06:37 PM mfb ah. i'd heard that the buying success thing wa... Dec 2 2005, 06:39 PM Azralon It's in there to mitigate an additional roll o... Dec 2 2005, 06:40 PM Bull QUOTE (Azralon) It's in there to mitigate an a... Dec 2 2005, 06:44 PM Eyeless Blond QUOTE (Azralon) It's in there to mitigate an a... Dec 2 2005, 07:23 PM Azralon Heh. I'd be all, "Well, it's quiet.... Dec 2 2005, 07:25 PM Eyeless Blond On the flip side, even if you insisted on rolling ... Dec 2 2005, 07:32 PM TheHappyAnarchist Doesn't four dice give you better than fifty f... Dec 2 2005, 07:32 PM Eyeless Blond Yes. Like I said, it gives you an 80.25% chance of... Dec 2 2005, 07:38 PM ElFenrir Not to mention, if they were a half mile away, the... Dec 2 2005, 07:59 PM Teulisch its a simple rule to say someone with X dice can d... Dec 2 2005, 11:40 PM stevebugge Personally I would make the characters roll anytim... Dec 3 2005, 12:07 AM Adam QUOTE (stevebugge) Personally I would make the cha... Dec 3 2005, 12:15 AM ogbendog this is similar to taking 10 in d20, which can... Dec 3 2005, 01:24 AM Demon_Bob question already asked and replied to. Dec 3 2005, 01:36 AM Vaevictis Keep in mind that although that passage suggests t... Dec 3 2005, 02:46 AM Feshy QUOTE (Vaevictis) Keep in mind that although that ... Dec 3 2005, 06:39 AM blakkie I highly doubt that a vehicle's armour is fret... Dec 3 2005, 07:22 AM Vaevictis QUOTE (blakkie) I highly doubt that a vehicle... Dec 3 2005, 10:03 AM blakkie QUOTE (Vaevictis @ Dec 3 2005, 04:03 AM) QUOT... Dec 3 2005, 10:08 AM Rotbart van Dainig Unless you happen to have your unlucky day, buying... Dec 3 2005, 10:20 AM Vaevictis QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Unless you happen to ha... Dec 3 2005, 11:27 AM TeOdio I think the suggestion for "buying hits... Dec 4 2005, 06:23 AM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Vaevictis)If you have just enough armor to ... Dec 4 2005, 07:29 AM Darkness QUOTE (TeOdio) I've noticed too no mention of ... Dec 4 2005, 05:36 PM Vaevictis QUOTE (Darkness)
Vehicle Armor is still "ha... Dec 4 2005, 06:42 PM Apathy QUOTE (mfb)ah. then i can cut my example down to 1... Dec 4 2005, 09:21 PM Darkness QUOTE (Vaevictis) While it tends to have the same ... Dec 5 2005, 12:15 AM Vaevictis QUOTE (Darkness) If it walks like a duck and quack... Dec 5 2005, 01:36 AM Azralon I have the converse of that, methinks.
Since vehi... Dec 5 2005, 04:24 PM Apathy At least blunt weapons can do physical damage now.... Dec 5 2005, 06:16 PM PBTHHHHT GM's discretion at some point, y'all could... Dec 5 2005, 07:17 PM mfb QUOTE (Apathy)[mfb's] example was meant to ill... Dec 5 2005, 07:25 PM Spider GM discretion...
You got it. Some GM seem so dis... Dec 5 2005, 07:28 PM Apathy QUOTE (mfb @ Dec 5 2005, 02:25 PM) in my exam... Dec 5 2005, 07:31 PM mfb see my edited comment above. i should really stop ... Dec 5 2005, 07:32 PM Apathy QUOTE (mfb)3. i'm not familiar with this. i do... Dec 5 2005, 08:02 PM Shrike30 QUOTE (mfb)Why would this not apply to shooting so... Dec 5 2005, 08:13 PM mfb QUOTE (Apathy)...rules on p56.
wow. that's eve... Dec 5 2005, 08:24 PM Azralon QUOTE (Shrike30)Sure he can. Pick it up, sla... Dec 6 2005, 03:25 PM mfb if you consider the planet to be a vehicle (hey, i... Dec 6 2005, 04:15 PM Aku and isn't the power equal to the speed of the ... Dec 6 2005, 04:17 PM mfb relative speed/10, i think. being hit with a plane... Dec 6 2005, 04:20 PM TheHappyAnarchist The problem still remains that it is linear. It s... Dec 6 2005, 04:26 PM blakkie QUOTE (Apathy @ Dec 5 2005, 02:02 PM) QUOTE (... Dec 14 2005, 08:51 AM Bull QUOTE (blakkie) Two cavets here:
1) As was pointed... Dec 14 2005, 03:18 PM Omer Joel Statistically speaking, one hit per three dice is ... Dec 18 2005, 11:53 AM Jestercat Dice and SR3: Actually SR3 benefits really well fr... Dec 18 2005, 01:56 PM Eyeless Blond Now now, let's be fair: that's not Rule 1;... Dec 18 2005, 03:08 PM Darkness QUOTE (Omer Joel) Statistically speaking, one hit ... Dec 18 2005, 04:21 PM
Azralon QUOTE (Omer Joel) Statistically speaking, one hit ... Dec 19 2005, 03:16 PM  |
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