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JonathanC
post Apr 5 2006, 08:33 AM
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I've noticed this as an attitude among a lot of players, and I was discussing it with someone who was planning to run a play-by-post Shadowrun game (4th edition in this case, but I've had similar experiences in 3rd). Basically, all of the characters (or most) submitted to the GM were mages, adepts, and one technomancer. No cyberware badasses, not even a decker. And really, who can blame them? I sent the GM a traditional "decker" (I guess they're called hackers now), but honestly...I'm reconsidering. I almost sent in an Adept myself.

Cyberware characters have to worry about all sorts of cyber detectors, legalities of their 'ware, essence loss and its effect on healing, and the huge cost of upgrades.

If I'm an adept with the equivalent of wired reflexes, I can walk through any checkpoint in the world, provided my fake ID works. I can't be arrested for being Awakened, at least not in most countries. And I can initiate until the cows come home to get more power points to upgrade with...and I have no penalties when it comes time to get healed. With the exception of Rigging, any job you can do with a cybered-out character can be done better with magic. And now that you've got technomancers, you don't even need cybered characters for that.

I think of cyberware as being a bit part of the setting of Shadowrun, but using it as a player seems almost like punishing yourself now. Am I missing something?
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- JonathanC   Magic > Tech?   Apr 5 2006, 08:33 AM
- - hyzmarca   Improved reflexes will always cost an adept the sa...   Apr 5 2006, 10:40 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   in 4th the magic > tech thing is a little worse...   Apr 5 2006, 10:49 AM
- - Dranem   Coming from someone who loves to play magical char...   Apr 5 2006, 11:30 AM
- - mmu1   Yes and no. On the one hand, I think magic tends...   Apr 5 2006, 12:38 PM
- - rozark69   Just had a thought, as Magic users are rare in the...   Apr 5 2006, 01:08 PM
- - nezumi   In my game, mages are much more common (because th...   Apr 5 2006, 01:50 PM
- - stevebugge   QUOTE (rozark69) Just had a thought, as Magic user...   Apr 5 2006, 02:43 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (rozark69) Just had a thought, as Magic user...   Apr 5 2006, 02:45 PM
- - Platinum   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 5 2006, 10:45 AM) QUO...   Apr 5 2006, 04:51 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I think you missed my point, namely that mages are...   Apr 5 2006, 04:55 PM
- - The ubbergeek   1% of the population of the global population is a...   Apr 5 2006, 05:02 PM
- - Platinum   They should probably start upping the numbers with...   Apr 5 2006, 05:13 PM
- - Landicine   On rarity, I don't think it matters. Runners a...   Apr 5 2006, 05:15 PM
- - emo samurai   If you took the mean as the main criteria for maki...   Apr 5 2006, 05:18 PM
- - JonathanC   I can understand limiting Awakened characters; but...   Apr 5 2006, 08:57 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Mystic Armor only applies to Impact armor, not Bal...   Apr 5 2006, 08:58 PM
- - JonathanC   In 4th ed, Technomancers aren't under any limi...   Apr 5 2006, 09:03 PM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Apr 5 2006, 04:03 PM) They...   Apr 5 2006, 09:09 PM
- - Dranem   Kage: 4th Edition. Technomancers can control the M...   Apr 5 2006, 09:22 PM
- - JonathanC   Sure, but I was talking about a worst-case scenari...   Apr 5 2006, 09:35 PM
- - stevebugge   I think the legality of Magic changes from GM to G...   Apr 5 2006, 09:38 PM
- - mintcar   All the time when I read this thread I was plannin...   Apr 5 2006, 11:02 PM
- - JonathanC   Thanks for the responses. It seems like more or le...   Apr 5 2006, 11:39 PM
- - toturi   1% of the world population is Awakened. What is th...   Apr 6 2006, 01:02 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (JonathanC) The thing is...why bother limiti...   Apr 6 2006, 02:43 PM
- - Platinum   It says that mages are 1% of the population ... no...   Apr 6 2006, 02:59 PM
- - JonathanC   So aside from simply disallowing or limiting the n...   Apr 16 2006, 06:25 AM
- - hyzmarca   There are solutions that work against magic but no...   Apr 16 2006, 07:23 AM
- - Dranem   How to make an Awakened Character feel useless: Se...   Apr 16 2006, 07:25 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   No, that's how you get your Awakened character...   Apr 16 2006, 08:33 AM
- - James McMurray   In SR4 Magic can be beefier than cyberware after a...   Apr 16 2006, 09:07 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Dranem) How to make an Awakened Character f...   Apr 16 2006, 09:35 AM
- - hyzmarca   There is a simple solution to that. Buy every copy...   Apr 16 2006, 09:44 AM
- - James McMurray   SR4 is sure to have background count as well, it j...   Apr 16 2006, 04:56 PM
- - hyzmarca   Actually, Ruth is better than II if you have enoug...   Apr 16 2006, 05:32 PM
- - James McMurray   In SR4 ruthenium polymers (i.e. the camo suit) onl...   Apr 16 2006, 05:37 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Ruthenium limits your mobility, and worse yet it o...   Apr 16 2006, 06:02 PM
- - Taran   And a seven-success II is not, for all practical p...   Apr 16 2006, 11:54 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (hyzmarca) There are solutions that work aga...   Apr 17 2006, 12:06 AM
- - hyzmarca   Really, I don't think instakilling a character...   Apr 17 2006, 01:40 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   Wow, that's a great way to go about it. Bette...   Apr 17 2006, 02:03 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Ahem... The first time a DM did all of that to me...   Apr 17 2006, 07:45 AM
- - hyzmarca   I'm pretty sure that chairs cause stun damage....   Apr 17 2006, 08:52 AM
- - Grinder   And Western movies   Apr 17 2006, 12:24 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (hyzmarca) I'm pretty sure that chairs c...   Apr 17 2006, 12:36 PM
- - James McMurray   I was on a run once where my mage was doped beyond...   Apr 17 2006, 06:27 PM
- - Voran   Just checking, the mage was doped up, or you were?   Apr 17 2006, 07:33 PM
- - James McMurray   I, being the mage, was doped up. Didn't cast a...   Apr 17 2006, 09:21 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) Ahem... The first time a...   Apr 17 2006, 10:03 PM
- - Ankle Biter   QUOTE (hyzmarca) The willpower rolls of self destr...   Apr 18 2006, 02:07 AM
- - Metatron   QUOTE (Ankle Biter) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 16 ...   Apr 19 2006, 11:26 AM


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