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post Apr 24 2006, 12:15 AM
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I get mixed messages about what people look for in their games; the consensus amongst the "veterans," at least on my game threads, seems to be "street-levelism." That is, a constant frantic scramble for survival in the shadows of corporate giants that would stomp them to the ground if they weren't so tiny and insignificant. Then again, those same people want to play a game "where he (the hero) looks heroic, shoots the bad guy, and taps the female lead and her sister at the same time." This was said by Critias, who, in the old days of a few months ago, would constantly admonish me for not being "street level" enough.

There also seems to be a consensus against powergaming; it's bad to have stuff that is too good, to have players that are too powerful and effective. I construe this to mean that may people want good role-playing. At the same time, there seems to be a constant pressure to conform to this monochromatically dark standard; people seem to like and even require "mundane hitman/detective/hacker/gangster with a mercenary heart/chip on his shoulder/bad conscience/religious devotion to 'professionalism'" type characters; requisite cliches contrasting with a stated desire for "creativity."

The question I want to have answered is what the hell do people want out of Shadowrun? Do you want a Mary Sue hero or a whiny street emo geek? Do you want anti-productive creativityin which people try not to make specialized, effective characters or dumbass archetypes that people are, if this world has any justice, tired of? Am I not getting something, are people trying to be disagreeable for the sake of testosterone backlog, or none of the above?

Personally, I'm looking for excitement, twisted, dark humor, with moments of genuine heartbreak that are in no way diminished by the objective wrongness of the situations sprinkled in. What about you?
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- emo samurai   Why do you Shadowrun?   Apr 24 2006, 12:15 AM
- - Voorhees   I shadowrun because otherwise my perfectly good ba...   Apr 24 2006, 12:21 AM
- - emo samurai   But what do you look for in a game?   Apr 24 2006, 12:23 AM
- - Voorhees   *Shrug* I like more cinematic gameplay, but based ...   Apr 24 2006, 12:28 AM
- - emo samurai   Wow... thanks for responding. Now for all the pe...   Apr 24 2006, 12:37 AM
- - Backgammon   A believable experience where I can pretend I...   Apr 24 2006, 01:23 AM
- - Taran   I mostly enjoy watching people react to the things...   Apr 24 2006, 01:24 AM
- - James McMurray   I play it because it's fun. Street level, medi...   Apr 24 2006, 02:22 AM
- - Paul   I don't. I'm the Games Master. I'm wa...   Apr 24 2006, 02:25 AM
- - Dogsoup   High stakes and and dangerous/nefarious opposition...   Apr 24 2006, 02:33 AM
- - Glyph   I play mainly for the roleplaying and the combat. ...   Apr 24 2006, 02:38 AM
- - SL James   Street-level is such mindless posturing bullshit. ...   Apr 24 2006, 05:51 AM
- - mfb   yeah. Heat was good. but it was not street. i don...   Apr 24 2006, 05:58 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (SL James) <snip> And the award fo...   Apr 24 2006, 06:03 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (eidolon @ Apr 24 2006, 01:03 AM) QUOTE...   Apr 24 2006, 06:19 AM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (eidolon) QUOTE (SL James @ Apr 24 2006...   Apr 24 2006, 06:40 AM
- - Straw Man   Personally, I like the fact that you can create so...   Apr 24 2006, 07:48 AM
- - Synner   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 24 2006, 06:19 AM) (W...   Apr 24 2006, 08:10 AM
- - emo samurai   If people were paid 20% above lifestyle, they woul...   Apr 24 2006, 02:26 PM
- - hyzmarca   There are ways to justify the suggested pay scale....   Apr 24 2006, 02:48 PM
- - nezumi   I play SR for all sorts of reasons. I do enjoy wo...   Apr 24 2006, 02:56 PM
- - stevebugge   QUOTE (emo samurai) If people were paid 20% above ...   Apr 24 2006, 03:12 PM
- - SL James   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 24 2006, 08:48 AM) A fo...   Apr 24 2006, 11:52 PM
- - emo samurai   That's why I pay them a ton of money; that mea...   Apr 25 2006, 01:09 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Kagetenshi)You're just threatened becau...   Apr 25 2006, 02:10 AM
- - Quix   I've got to agree with Straw Man on this one: ...   Apr 25 2006, 03:33 AM
- - eralston   I would first like to say that you play one high v...   Apr 25 2006, 03:45 AM
- - emo samurai   Oh, I'll have good runs. Wait and see.   Apr 25 2006, 03:46 AM
- - Valentinew   QUOTE (SL James) Assuming... Yeah... Assuming a l...   Apr 25 2006, 02:37 PM
- - Dog   It seems to me that one of the better things about...   Apr 25 2006, 03:29 PM
- - ArchXL   QUOTE (Dog) It's great when the guy in the nex...   Apr 25 2006, 08:42 PM
- - SL James   QUOTE (eidolon @ Apr 24 2006, 08:10 PM) QUOTE...   Apr 25 2006, 09:58 PM
- - mintcar   Shadowrunners can stay street level even though th...   Apr 25 2006, 10:09 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (emo samurai) There also seems to be a cons...   Apr 25 2006, 11:04 PM
- - ChuckRozool   I Shadowrun because it's fun and I can hang ou...   Apr 25 2006, 11:59 PM
- - eidolon   Never mind.   Apr 26 2006, 04:22 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   Why? because I need the money   Apr 26 2006, 04:27 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   In a game, or maybe I should say when I'm runn...   Apr 26 2006, 05:07 AM
- - emo samurai   What do you mean by cheating? What do I do? I cons...   Apr 26 2006, 04:19 PM
- - James McMurray   And awaaaay we go. Remember, anything you do tha...   Apr 26 2006, 04:24 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (James McMurray) Remember, anything you do t...   Apr 26 2006, 04:36 PM
- - emo samurai   WOOHOO!!   Apr 26 2006, 05:24 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr ...   Apr 26 2006, 06:29 PM
- - emo samurai   CHEATING IS FUN FUN FUN!!! If K can h...   Apr 26 2006, 06:58 PM
- - James McMurray   Because K is so much better than you that you need...   Apr 26 2006, 07:47 PM
- - emo samurai   I will never feel inadequate compared to his chara...   Apr 26 2006, 07:48 PM
- - ronin3338   I play because it's a blend of sci fi & ma...   Apr 26 2006, 08:07 PM
- - Unrest   You know I just like the game system and enjoy pla...   Apr 27 2006, 03:06 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Unrest) You know I just like the game syste...   Apr 27 2006, 03:20 AM
- - emo samurai   A lot of people seem like hardasses. It really ann...   Apr 27 2006, 03:41 AM
- - FanGirl   Yeah, why can't there be more games about feel...   Apr 27 2006, 03:50 AM
- - emo samurai   OOOH... I get it. The reason they spend several bo...   Apr 27 2006, 03:51 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (emo samurai) A lot of people seem like hard...   Apr 27 2006, 04:02 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (emo samurai) OOOH... I get it. The reason t...   Apr 27 2006, 04:04 AM
- - TheQuestionMan   Good day Chummers, I like been Game Mastering Shad...   Apr 27 2006, 04:19 AM
- - emo samurai   Of COURSE the enemies use that stuff. And I wasn...   Apr 27 2006, 04:35 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (emo samurai) If K can have a sam with 9 agi...   Apr 27 2006, 04:56 AM
- - emo samurai   The cyberzombie will be very cyberzombie-like even...   Apr 27 2006, 05:03 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (FanGirl) But seriously, why do people persi...   Apr 27 2006, 06:30 AM
- - hyzmarca   That being said, some people do like to go overbao...   Apr 27 2006, 07:07 AM
- - Dog   Anybody notice the debate going on between a two g...   Apr 27 2006, 03:25 PM
- - emo samurai   Holy shit, you're right. And the thing is, the...   Apr 27 2006, 03:40 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (emo samurai) Holy shit, you're right. A...   Apr 27 2006, 10:19 PM
- - emo samurai   Hmmm... And according to the Hagakure, going ronin...   Apr 28 2006, 12:23 AM
- - FanGirl   QUOTE (emo samurai) Holy shit, you're right. A...   Apr 28 2006, 01:09 AM
- - emo samurai   Actually, I'm just Chinese. My ancestors will ...   Apr 28 2006, 01:18 AM
- - eidolon   Zhende ma? Hui shuo putong hua ma? And ditto Kag...   Apr 28 2006, 01:20 AM
- - emo samurai   Shi, wo shi zhong guo ren, wo cong Harbin lai. Kes...   Apr 28 2006, 01:21 AM
- - FanGirl   QUOTE (emo samurai)Actually, I'm just Chinese....   Apr 28 2006, 01:45 AM
- - Dog   Lost souls will haunt you at midnight, 12:30 if yo...   Apr 28 2006, 02:18 AM
- - Quix   Amen to escapism.   Apr 28 2006, 02:25 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Crash 2.0 basically give you the ability to make a...   Apr 28 2006, 02:39 AM
- - emo samurai   Just do what I do: whatever I want. If your GM doe...   Apr 28 2006, 03:36 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (emo samurai) Just do what I do: whatever I ...   Apr 28 2006, 03:44 AM
- - emo samurai   Yes... it... DOES!!! Okay, good point...   Apr 28 2006, 03:57 AM
- - Kanada Ten   QUOTE (emo samurai) Okay, good point. But if you l...   Apr 28 2006, 04:13 AM
- - James McMurray   Mice can be interesting. You don't need ultram...   Apr 28 2006, 04:14 AM
- - emo samurai   The thing is, I need a blank sheet to draw anythin...   Apr 28 2006, 04:21 AM
- - eralston   Players generally only need one little hook for th...   Apr 28 2006, 05:46 AM
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- - eralston   Tormented good guys are kind of a drag. It's ...   Apr 28 2006, 05:55 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I've always been a big fan of the backstab cha...   Apr 28 2006, 06:12 PM
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- - emo samurai   QUOTE (James McMurray @ Apr 28 2006, 01:04 AM...   Apr 28 2006, 10:31 PM
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- - shadowfire   i play shadowrun because i'm a natural at espi...   Apr 29 2006, 01:15 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (Kanada Ten) A smuggler who slides cred to h...   Apr 29 2006, 04:51 AM
- - emo samurai   These character concepts seem to be molded far too...   Apr 29 2006, 06:48 AM
- - Kanada Ten   I could have put in "the passion" idealo...   Apr 29 2006, 06:56 AM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (emo samurai) The thing is, though, Shen is ...   Apr 29 2006, 09:03 AM
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- - ronin3338   QUOTE (Kanada Ten @ Apr 28 2006, 07:43 PM) Ex...   Apr 29 2006, 05:39 PM
- - Kanada Ten   "Pure monetary gain" from the poster abo...   Apr 29 2006, 05:42 PM
- - WyldKarde   This seems like a good excuse to finally delurk an...   Apr 29 2006, 08:21 PM
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