 Response and IC, I am confused |
 May 3 2006, 10:21 PM
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What response rating does a mainframe have? Only 6?
Why does a credstick have a device rating of 6? This means that it has System 6, Response 6, Firewall 6, Singal 6? Why does anybody buy comlinks if your credstick is so powerfull? Just modify your credstick. How much IC can you load onto simple nodes that are not meant to work as "real" mainframes? How much IC can you load on "real" mainframes? Why shouldn't there be a huge difference between both kinds of system? How does IC or an Agent affect a nodes response (as indicated in p. 228, in the paragraph "Intrusion Countermeasures")? Does every of the 4 attributes count as a program? Does only the IC count as a program? If yes, why? Do the programmes, the IC is running, count toward the response limit of the node? How does a lowered response affect the standard duties? Does this even matter? The fact, that almost everything now has a device rating, which must fit into the 1-6 levels, smartgun node in your weapon and supermainframe alike, imposes some huge problems. Does anybody know a solution? Is there any way to bring comlinks with system ratings of 6, hightech devices with devicerating 6 that are not originally meant to work as superpower processors, and real mainframes that can only have a rating of 6 together? Do I just have to accept the ratings and roll on random tables for node responses because reasoning is futile? Help me, for I am confused. |
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Serbitar Response and IC, I am confused May 3 2006, 10:21 PM
blakkie Matrix nodes are not limited to rating 6. MATRIX ... May 3 2006, 10:31 PM Serbitar Hm, I really hope that the writers of unwired try ... May 3 2006, 10:37 PM blakkie Here are a few someones posting somethings about h... May 3 2006, 10:44 PM Glayvin34 I'm kinda glad that I got into Shadow Run for ... May 3 2006, 10:55 PM Moon-Hawk So then, if this is so cheap and easy, then everyo... May 3 2006, 10:57 PM James McMurray My rigger /street sam has IC on everything he owns... May 3 2006, 10:57 PM Glayvin34 QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) So then, if this is so cheap and... May 3 2006, 11:02 PM Moon-Hawk See, it's the "there's no reason not ... May 3 2006, 11:02 PM James McMurray Why does that bother you? May 3 2006, 11:04 PM Voran Yeah it does get a little wonky when the old fairl... May 3 2006, 11:06 PM James McMurray Unwired will probably have commlinks with higher r... May 3 2006, 11:08 PM Ophis My take on it is to allow mainframes to break rule... May 3 2006, 11:15 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Glayvin34) QUOTE (Moon-Hawk @ May 3 20... May 3 2006, 11:19 PM Kanada Ten I don't see why a mainframe needs more than a ... May 3 2006, 11:25 PM Glayvin34 QUOTE (Serbitar)
I would call that inconsistent a... May 3 2006, 11:30 PM blakkie QUOTE (Serbitar @ May 3 2006, 05:19 PM) I am ... May 4 2006, 05:39 AM The Jopp QUOTE (blakkie)
30 agents? WTF? Isn't that go... May 4 2006, 11:05 AM Serbitar I think even 5 IC that are loaded when the node ge... May 4 2006, 11:24 AM Voran I'm wondering at the math for agents/IC. Afte... May 4 2006, 11:50 AM blakkie QUOTE (Serbitar @ May 4 2006, 05:24 AM) I thi... May 4 2006, 12:21 PM Glayvin34 Hm. Now I'm confused about the rules. Does t... May 4 2006, 04:54 PM mdynna Although every "device" in the game has ... May 4 2006, 05:28 PM GrinderTheTroll Put aside trying to deistinguish between a "d... May 4 2006, 07:40 PM Moon-Hawk The biggest reason, to me, that you have to distin... May 4 2006, 08:44 PM Serbitar Mainfraimes are not nodes in SR4, because rating 6... May 4 2006, 09:15 PM blakkie @mdynna
Usually though a big iron system will set... May 4 2006, 09:17 PM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (Serbitar) Mainfraimes are not nodes in SR4,... May 4 2006, 09:23 PM blakkie QUOTE (Serbitar @ May 4 2006, 03:15 PM) But s... May 4 2006, 09:28 PM GrinderTheTroll *snip*
QUOTE (Serbitar)Is there any reason not to ... May 4 2006, 09:32 PM Serbitar QUOTE (blakkie @ May 4 2006, 04:28 PM) I and ... May 4 2006, 09:50 PM blakkie QUOTE (Serbitar @ May 4 2006, 03:50 PM) QUOTE... May 4 2006, 09:54 PM blakkie QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll) EDIT - I suppose other nod... May 4 2006, 09:59 PM damaleon Here is something I read in the Linking and Subscr... May 4 2006, 10:04 PM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (blakkie) QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll @ May ... May 4 2006, 10:15 PM mdynna Ok, just stop and think about this whole "eve... May 4 2006, 11:03 PM Kanada Ten Meh, the corps probably would make it cheaper than... May 4 2006, 11:09 PM James McMurray In today's world it is cheaper in terms of str... May 4 2006, 11:16 PM Glayvin34 My question is still about the Load that an Agent ... May 4 2006, 11:24 PM damaleon QUOTE (Glayvin34)My question is still about the Lo... May 4 2006, 11:42 PM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (Glayvin34)My question is still about the Lo... May 4 2006, 11:46 PM Shrike30 Did you mean Trace-6, Attack-6? May 4 2006, 11:55 PM Glayvin34 QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)It's not the Agent... May 5 2006, 12:02 AM Glayvin34 On 232 there's that "Simultaneous Combat ... May 5 2006, 01:23 AM damaleon Here is how I see it.
System/Response 6 node runn... May 5 2006, 01:33 AM Big D Backing away from the exact mechanics for a second... May 5 2006, 01:45 AM Glayvin34 Yeah, Damaleon's model seems to be right. But... May 5 2006, 01:47 AM Glayvin34 QUOTE (Big D) Backing away from the exact mechanic... May 5 2006, 01:56 AM damaleon QUOTE Payload
Agents can be loaded up with copies ... May 5 2006, 02:02 AM damaleon Yeah, I would agree with Big D, as long as you can... May 5 2006, 02:10 AM Big D Stupid question... does a TM need any hacker skill... May 5 2006, 02:18 AM Glayvin34 QUOTE (Big D) Stupid question... does a TM need an... May 5 2006, 02:35 AM damaleon QUOTE (Big D)Stupid question... does a TM need any... May 5 2006, 02:37 AM Big D damaleon: Sorry, didn't mean he didn't ha... May 5 2006, 02:43 AM damaleon oh, didn't realize that. in that case, I agre... May 5 2006, 02:48 AM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (Glayvin34) QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)It's ... May 5 2006, 06:01 PM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (damaleon) Yeah, I would agree with Big D, a... May 5 2006, 06:17 PM Big D Well, I'm thinking beyond just sitting there a... May 5 2006, 06:25 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar)What response rating does a mainfr... May 5 2006, 06:59 PM James McMurray QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Because exceptions kill... May 5 2006, 07:05 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (James McMurray)Not if they're well defi... May 5 2006, 07:24 PM James McMurray True. Some exceptions are comon enough to need a r... May 5 2006, 08:03 PM Serbitar Thanks Rotbart for the comments. (Actually I was w... May 5 2006, 08:20 PM blakkie @Serbitar
Degradation for a given login can occur... May 5 2006, 08:27 PM damaleon QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)Distributed Denial of Servi... May 5 2006, 08:33 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar)Thus I would rule, that "devi... May 5 2006, 08:36 PM GrinderTheTroll QUOTE (damaleon) QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)Distribute... May 5 2006, 09:14 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)That means you just remo... May 5 2006, 09:44 PM Serbitar QUOTE (blakkie @ May 5 2006, 03:27 PM)
Degra... May 5 2006, 09:57 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar) If an agent counts only as 1 prog... May 5 2006, 10:19 PM blakkie QUOTE Good explanation. But my problem with the wh... May 5 2006, 10:46 PM Serbitar QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ May 5 2006, 05:19... May 5 2006, 11:14 PM blakkie IC are not loaded until the security alert has bee... May 5 2006, 11:29 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar)You should definately read the ... May 5 2006, 11:32 PM Serbitar Now we are turning in circles:
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QU... May 6 2006, 12:08 AM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Serbitar)So what? Scanning IC or System+Fir... May 6 2006, 12:14 AM Serbitar Any reason not to let it constantly scan everythin... May 6 2006, 12:26 AM Rotbart van Dainig The 'Try again' rules?
Load balancing, s... May 6 2006, 12:33 AM blakkie I should add one thing Sebitar that i missed menti... May 6 2006, 01:08 AM damaleon QUOTE (GrinderTheTroll)
I think you missed my poin... May 6 2006, 02:03 AM blakkie QUOTE (damaleon @ May 5 2006, 08:03 PM) QUOTE... May 6 2006, 02:15 AM damaleon Okay, I'm wrong. I missed the last line of th... May 6 2006, 02:23 AM blakkie QUOTE (damaleon @ May 5 2006, 08:23 PM) Would... May 6 2006, 02:42 AM damaleon Okay, now that I have to re-think independent agen... May 6 2006, 03:02 AM blakkie Ok, the Agent 4 with 6 programs active going to th... May 6 2006, 03:15 AM damaleon Okay, I get that.
So an easy way to put a roadblo... May 6 2006, 03:20 AM maikeru Wow, this stuff is confusing, good thing I haven... May 6 2006, 03:25 AM blakkie QUOTE (damaleon) Okay, I get that.
So an easy way... May 6 2006, 03:30 AM blakkie QUOTE (maikeru @ May 5 2006, 09:25 PM) Wow, t... May 6 2006, 03:51 AM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (blakkie) Hrmm, didn't think of that. M... May 6 2006, 08:27 AM blakkie QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (blakkie @ M... May 6 2006, 11:44 AM Rotbart van Dainig It's quite easy to force routing in SR4, espec... May 6 2006, 01:06 PM blakkie An anonymizer duplicates the original requester an... May 6 2006, 02:16 PM Rotbart van Dainig Not really - that's exactly what the rules cal... May 6 2006, 05:21 PM blakkie Which page are you talking about? I didn't get... May 6 2006, 05:35 PM Rotbart van Dainig p. 220, Loggin On/Off. May 6 2006, 06:04 PM blakkie Ya, i don't get that as fuctioning as an anony... May 7 2006, 02:33 PM Rotbart van Dainig That's the fundamental difference between Node... May 7 2006, 02:55 PM blakkie QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ May 7 2006, 08:55... May 7 2006, 09:24 PM
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