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mrcatman
post May 10 2006, 09:21 PM
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My group has just bought SR4 and will be playing it shortly. We played 2nd and 3rd edition (some of us even 1st). We have 2 quick questions for you gurus...

1) Orthoskin cannot be combined with Dermal Plating, per both descriptions. However, there is no mention of whether or not either one can be combined with Mystic Armor, the Armor spell or Troll's natural armor. If you had a Troll Adept (1/1) with Mystic Armor 4 (4/4), and Orthoskin 3 (3/3) wearing an armor jacket (8/6), would his B/I armor really be 16/14?

2) Orthoskin, Mystic Armor, the Armor spell & the Troll's natural armor all say they stack (are cumulative) with worn armor. Dermal Plating doesn't make mention one way or the other. Does Dermal Plating stack (is cumulative) with worn armor?

Thank you for your time.

REFERENCE PAGES:
Orthoskin bioware (SR4, p.339)
Dermal Plating cyberware (SR4, p.333)
Mystic Armor adept power (SR4, p.188)
Armor spell (SR4, p.202)
Troll's natural armor (SR4, p.73)
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- mrcatman   16/14 armor for starting character?   May 10 2006, 09:21 PM
- - Butterblume   1) yes 2) yes But remember, unlike as inSR3, an a...   May 10 2006, 09:30 PM
- - Big D   Why stop there? Theoretical Troll (assuming 5 mag...   May 10 2006, 09:33 PM
- - Glayvin34   And you'll be paying at least 30 BP for a magi...   May 10 2006, 09:35 PM
- - Big D   Wait, isn't adept armor limited to [Magic] ran...   May 10 2006, 09:43 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (Big D)Wait, isn't adept armor limited t...   May 10 2006, 09:49 PM
- - mrcatman   QUOTE (Big D)Wait, isn't adept armor limited t...   May 10 2006, 10:10 PM
- - Glayvin34   That looks close to me, except he does have to get...   May 10 2006, 10:17 PM
- - mdynna   They've released a lot of errata on those samp...   May 10 2006, 10:34 PM
- - ronin3338   I think I would house rule that for SR4 too, at le...   May 11 2006, 12:36 AM
- - Lagomorph   QUOTE Bad Luck (+20 BP) Incompetent x3 skills (+15...   May 11 2006, 12:45 AM
- - James McMurray   You forgot to bring your helmet and ballistic shie...   May 11 2006, 12:46 AM
- - Ranneko   QUOTE (Lagomorph) QUOTE Bad Luck (+20 BP) Incompet...   May 11 2006, 12:48 AM
- - fool   furthermore, the attributes did all add up to unde...   May 11 2006, 01:44 AM
- - Glyph   Imp.Phy.Attr/Reaction 1 would cost 2 points, not o...   May 11 2006, 02:49 AM
- - Shrike30   And this is why the man invented APDS ammunition   May 11 2006, 05:57 AM
- - ixombie   The oh-so sad thing about having 9 body and 16/14 ...   May 11 2006, 08:08 AM
- - DrowVampyre   Actually, one of your pools is smaller - the elf m...   May 11 2006, 08:16 AM
- - UndeadPoet   QUOTE (ixombie) [...]improved dodge 3, and dodge a...   May 11 2006, 09:33 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   not with that kind of success rate you miay be abl...   May 11 2006, 09:41 AM
- - Crusher Bob   Of course, dodging doe not protect you from area o...   May 11 2006, 10:10 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   Dodging DOES protect from grenades and similar are...   May 11 2006, 10:19 AM
- - mfb   actually, i think it does, at least for grenades a...   May 11 2006, 10:19 AM
- - DrowVampyre   Lessee...if you assume a maxed Reaction character ...   May 11 2006, 10:34 AM
- - mdynna   Wide bursts are the wonderful mechanic that was ad...   May 11 2006, 04:12 PM
- - UndeadPoet   QUOTE (Kremlin KOA)not with that kind of success r...   May 11 2006, 04:24 PM
- - Shrike30   I am *so* a fan of wide bursts. I've got a co...   May 11 2006, 05:41 PM
- - James McMurray   And of course, if they can't hit you, they...   May 11 2006, 06:14 PM
- - Shrike30   Or they'll vector all their fire to the guy st...   May 11 2006, 06:38 PM
- - James McMurray   Why would they spend time firing at someone they c...   May 11 2006, 07:25 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Aye, if there's a mass amount of folks, you pr...   May 11 2006, 07:45 PM
- - Big D   Let's see. Davy Elf with 8[12] Agi, 7[10] aut...   May 11 2006, 08:15 PM
- - Shrike30   From the point of view of your average squaddie sh...   May 11 2006, 08:31 PM
- - James McMurray   He's armed but he isn't a threat. He's...   May 11 2006, 09:02 PM
- - Shrike30   I think we're envisioning the scene a little d...   May 11 2006, 09:11 PM
- - James McMurray   In that situation I would shoot at them, probably ...   May 11 2006, 09:35 PM
- - ronin3338   Take off and nuke'em from orbit. It's the...   May 11 2006, 09:47 PM
- - James McMurray   It depends on how your GM reads the dodge vs. expl...   May 11 2006, 09:52 PM
- - ronin3338   D'oh! "I acrobatic dodge so I...   May 11 2006, 10:10 PM
- - hobgoblin   save the drop bears for later. first we try the ol...   May 11 2006, 10:37 PM
- - James McMurray   Those get dodged too. And did I mention that my c...   May 11 2006, 11:26 PM
- - Kanada Ten   I wonder if vision penalties should apply to React...   May 11 2006, 11:53 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (James McMurray) Those get dodged too. And ...   May 12 2006, 12:40 AM
- - Big D   Right, stop that, that's silly!   May 12 2006, 04:49 AM
- - Oracle   QUOTE (James McMurray) And did I mention that my c...   May 12 2006, 12:03 PM
- - ixombie   I'd like to point out that dodging and being t...   May 13 2006, 03:03 AM
- - Big D   I have this image of a Neo elf making all these co...   May 13 2006, 03:32 AM
- - Divine Virus   of course, all it would take is a force 1 drain at...   May 13 2006, 04:05 AM
- - James McMurray   Force 1 anything is almost gauranteed to fail. All...   May 13 2006, 06:42 AM
- - Divine Virus   ah, thats true, forgot about that damn resist roll...   May 13 2006, 06:47 AM
- - James McMurray   The force of the spell limits the number of hits (...   May 13 2006, 06:55 AM
- - Glyph   Plus, they don't have ranged Health spells yet...   May 13 2006, 07:15 AM
- - James McMurray   Yeah, it's pretty hard to do 9 or 10 damage in...   May 13 2006, 07:18 AM
- - Divine Virus   But with dimished attribute you can bring his char...   May 13 2006, 07:24 AM
- - Glyph   But the problems for the caster are: 1) You have ...   May 13 2006, 07:49 AM
- - Cochise   QUOTE (mdynna)Under SR3, Dermal Plating and Orthos...   May 13 2006, 06:13 PM
- - Glyph   Actually, he is wrong. If you look at the Sprawl ...   May 13 2006, 08:33 PM
- - James McMurray   Oops. I missed that the example character had a ch...   May 13 2006, 11:39 PM
- - Big D   I keep coming back to the simple answer... a coupl...   May 14 2006, 12:43 AM
- - James McMurray   With a 5 willpower and 4 counterspelling dice he i...   May 14 2006, 12:59 AM
- - Big D   Yeah, I concede the point, I was just thinking of ...   May 14 2006, 02:01 AM
- - Teulisch   magic adept magic loss is applied to the spellcast...   May 14 2006, 02:22 AM
- - Big D   So you absolutely have to reserve a point for cast...   May 14 2006, 02:25 AM
- - Nikoli   It also recommends that GM's not allow the mag...   May 14 2006, 02:44 AM
- - James McMurray   That recommendation should hold for anything. SR4 ...   May 14 2006, 03:22 AM
- - Edward   I always over cast, it is so much easier to get ri...   May 14 2006, 04:41 AM
- - James McMurray   I really wish I knew why they took away the ineffe...   May 14 2006, 04:48 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   it is a return to 2nd edition back then physical d...   May 14 2006, 04:57 AM
- - James McMurray   That doesn't explain the reason for the rollba...   May 14 2006, 05:07 AM
- - Kremlin KOA   thus, precident   May 14 2006, 05:08 AM
- - James McMurray   Ummm... Yeah. That's what I said. "prior ...   May 14 2006, 05:17 AM
- - Shrike30   I houseruled that you can't heal drain damage,...   May 15 2006, 06:44 PM
- - Butterblume   I will houserule the same way when my players star...   May 15 2006, 07:05 PM


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