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Bruce Sterling is in many ways very much opposed to the idea that technology removes much of the meaning, passion, and, paradoxically, human order from human existence. His comlinks bridge culture gaps and form otherwise impossible social networks. His corporations are paragons of selflessness in stark contrast to the selfishness exhibited by crooked bankers worldwide. A corporation travels back in time to stave off the French Revolution, give motorcycles and uzis to the joyfully payrolled mongol horde, and tell off Thomas Jefferson for having slaves. Technology, in Bruce's world, is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

In Gibson's world, technology is banal self-interest incarnate. Its intrusion into society makes human existence into a struggle for survival that is thinly hidden by prostitution, drugs, and simsense. The lives of its poor are steeped in simsense, violence, social posturing, and drugs they can barely afford. The lives of its rich are also steeped in simsense, violence, social posturing, and drugs they can barely afford. Han Virek is described as completely inhuman.

Which viewpoint wins out in Shadowrun? You lose essence for cyberware, but everyone who gets it is all "Cool, AR." The NAN beats the banal bureaucracy of the US, but it in turn balkanizes into a bunch of self-interested and petty city-states. And so on, and so forth.
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- emo samurai   Bruce Sterling vs. Gibson in Shadowrun.   May 24 2006, 07:14 AM
- - Kanada Ten   Nothing wins in SR. Technology, magic, money and ...   May 24 2006, 07:21 AM
- - emo samurai   I'm not saying one aspect of gameplay is bette...   May 24 2006, 07:25 AM
- - mfb   i wouldn't say that Sterling views technology ...   May 24 2006, 07:27 AM
- - emo samurai   I have to read those books; all I've read are ...   May 24 2006, 07:29 AM
- - mfb   Schismatrix and Holy Fire are the most clear-cut t...   May 24 2006, 07:36 AM
- - Voran   The way I see, the problem ends up being that huma...   May 24 2006, 12:13 PM
- - emo samurai   I guess shadowrunners would count as people with t...   May 24 2006, 02:15 PM
- - hobgoblin   the very term cyberpunk codifies people that use t...   May 24 2006, 02:47 PM
- - emo samurai   But isn't it about more than that, than ...   May 24 2006, 02:50 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Yep, and particularly the Shadowrun-style criminal...   May 24 2006, 02:54 PM
- - hobgoblin   meaninglessness, sure. thats one of the hallmarks ...   May 24 2006, 02:59 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   As to where my own preferences lie, let me put it ...   May 24 2006, 09:22 PM
- - Shrike30   Crystal Express is an excellent collection of Ster...   May 24 2006, 10:29 PM
- - The ubbergeek   Methink he didn't really get Shadowrun much. ...   May 24 2006, 11:37 PM
- - emo samurai   What do you mean when you say Neal Stephensonism i...   May 25 2006, 12:16 AM
- - mfb   Stephenson's tech tends to be slick and cool a...   May 25 2006, 12:27 AM
- - emo samurai   I should REALLY read more of their stuff. Is Ster...   May 25 2006, 01:19 AM
- - mfb   Sterling is more into using tech for purposes othe...   May 25 2006, 01:30 AM
- - emo samurai   And how isn't SR4 like that?   May 25 2006, 01:32 AM
- - mfb   tech in SR4 is generally used for its intended pur...   May 25 2006, 01:38 AM
- - emo samurai   Yeah, I guess. You won't mount a chaingun on a...   May 25 2006, 01:39 AM
- - Muzzaro   I prefer Gibson's view. The technology might b...   May 25 2006, 02:46 AM
- - ChuckRozool   Am I smoking crack or was there a book of short st...   May 25 2006, 03:54 AM
- - mfb   there are at least two books of short stories by S...   May 25 2006, 03:58 AM
- - emo samurai   Maybe I should read more before I go resurrecting ...   May 25 2006, 04:03 AM
- - ChuckRozool   QUOTE (mfb) there are at least two books of short ...   May 25 2006, 04:07 AM
- - Fire Hawk   Hey emo, What have you read from Sterling and Gibs...   May 25 2006, 04:08 AM
- - emo samurai   For Sterling, I've read Zeitgeist, Mozart in M...   May 25 2006, 04:10 AM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (ChuckRozool)Am I smoking crack or was there...   May 25 2006, 04:12 AM
- - Fire Hawk   Snow Crash just rocked. I read a great deal of The...   May 25 2006, 04:18 AM
- - emo samurai   I've read the entire sprawl trilogy. And tell ...   May 25 2006, 04:20 AM
- - Muzzaro   There's another author who's worth a read....   May 25 2006, 12:07 PM
- - emo samurai   "Shamanspace?" Now THAT sounds SR.   May 25 2006, 02:22 PM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE it jumped around like a cat thrown onto a BB...   May 25 2006, 02:58 PM
- - nezumi   Globalhead is a collection of Sterling stories. W...   May 25 2006, 05:24 PM
- - Shrike30   QUOTE (Shrike30) Crystal Express is an excellent c...   May 25 2006, 10:29 PM
- - Willowhugger   The point of order in Shadowrun is clearly Gibson....   May 29 2006, 05:34 AM
- - emo samurai   I thought Molly kept on being a razorgirl...   May 29 2006, 05:39 AM
- - Willowhugger   QUOTE (emo samurai) I thought Molly kept on being ...   May 29 2006, 05:59 AM
- - emo samurai   Her life sucks throughout, really. In Mona Lisa Ov...   May 29 2006, 06:01 AM
- - mfb   yeah. it's a trademark of Gibson-style cyberpu...   May 29 2006, 06:08 AM
- - Willowhugger   True, part of the major problem I had conveying to...   May 29 2006, 06:11 AM
- - mfb   yeah, that can work--give the character a goal tha...   May 29 2006, 06:15 AM
- - Willowhugger   I just finished our first game tonight and it actu...   May 29 2006, 07:57 AM
- - mfb   i like the Sterling-style wonkassedness. i think S...   May 29 2006, 08:09 AM
- - hobgoblin   hmm, makes me think of cellphones today...   May 29 2006, 01:22 PM
- - emo samurai   Or, you know, computers. And it's not like yo...   May 29 2006, 02:24 PM


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