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Wounded Ronin
post Jun 13 2006, 12:10 AM
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According to Nisarg/RPGPundit, the D&D DMG II (incidentally, dosen't the idea of a DMG II sound kind of excessive?) says that, "your players will expect to play in a world resembling the Middle Ages, but with the harsh, brutal, depressing and serious elements stripped out."

( http://www.xanga.com/RPGpundit?nextdate=5%...090&direction=n )

This kind of surprised me. I remember in D&D first edition you were technically supposed to roll every month to see if a player character came down with any number of diseases. While in a sense the diseases were kind of superfluous because of the Cure Disease spell it's a credit to 1st edition that if you didn't treat the diseases they'd actually errode your stats over time and possibly kill you just like a real disease would do. If you wanted to play a depressing "realist" medieval scenario without Cure Disease the diseases would actually be a constant threat of death hanging over the PCs heads. My point is that as of 1st edition D&D certainly wasn't about having "the harsh, brutal, depressing and serious elements stripped out."

I mean, even remember Oriental Adventures. That setting had a whole social class system you had to roll on during chargen which would influence whether or not society as a whole would look down on you forever due to your ancestry. That's so awesome it makes me want to flip out and bang a geisha who simultaneously wales on an electric guitar or maybe an electric samisen hooked up to an amplifier.

Likewise, Shadowrun is of course explicitly supposed to be a depressing stew of 1980s fears about Japan, corporations, the environment, and global economics where you're a Midwestern auto worker.

Thing is, though, I know that Wizards does their market research. I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have written about how people don't want something depressing if they didn't have some kind of consumer research backing that assertion up.

What do you think? Is the fact that most people don't want t3h d3pr3ssing in their RPGs? If so, that's kind of grim news for SR.
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- Wounded Ronin   Do RPG players dislike depressing settings?   Jun 13 2006, 12:10 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   Of the 6 players who I've GMd for enough to ha...   Jun 13 2006, 12:22 AM
- - Drraagh   It's a matter of the player. Just think abotu ...   Jun 13 2006, 12:25 AM
- - Nasrudith   I would say RPG players tend to go towards extreme...   Jun 13 2006, 12:58 AM
- - hyzmarca   Lifestyle doesn't determine grit at all. You c...   Jun 13 2006, 01:13 AM
- - Brahm   Shadowrun is a beam of sunshine up your big brown ...   Jun 13 2006, 01:29 AM
- - eidolon   You have to remember that the WoTC model of player...   Jun 13 2006, 02:48 AM
- - Nidhogg   Stormbringer was even worse than Warhammer. While ...   Jun 13 2006, 02:53 AM
- - eidolon   Leper   Jun 13 2006, 03:04 AM
- - Nidhogg   QUOTE (eidolon) Leper Oops. Sleep deprivatio...   Jun 13 2006, 03:07 AM
- - mmu1   QUOTE (eidolon) You have to remember that the WoTC...   Jun 13 2006, 03:09 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Nidhogg) Stormbringer was even worse than W...   Jun 13 2006, 03:12 AM
- - mmu1   I think that, regardless of what kind of setting t...   Jun 13 2006, 03:21 AM
- - eidolon   Oh, so you mean most of them only come across as b...   Jun 13 2006, 06:10 AM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (eidolon @ Jun 13 2006, 01:10 AM) Oh, s...   Jun 13 2006, 06:21 AM
- - eidolon   nm, not worth responding to   Jun 13 2006, 06:28 AM
- - Nidhogg   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) QUOTE (Nidhogg @ Jun 12...   Jun 13 2006, 06:51 AM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (eidolon) nm, not worth responding to Ex...   Jun 13 2006, 08:00 AM
- - Glyph   See, the thing is, RPG players like depressing set...   Jun 13 2006, 08:14 AM
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