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Ok, I have two question.

I have a guy in my group that swears and insists that thermographic vision can see through walls and pick up the heat given off by something in a room well beyond the interior wall. Put simply he claims that if he is using thermo while walking through a hallway, and he looks at a wall he can see through it and pick up the heat from a troll that is 10ft or more into the room. Is there anything in the rules that says that is possible? Are there any thermo imagers in the real world that can do that?

I've heard that trolls and dwarves see in normal vision and thermo vision at the same time. I've heard that's the way it's done in some novels as well as it is discussed in the 2nd Ed. book Cybertechnology. The reference that says that states it is in the discussions in the book IIRC. Not sure what IIRC means. Does anyone know what area or page says that? Or is there anywhere else in any rulebooks that it states that and what page please?
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- Nightshade-   Thermographic Questions   Jul 31 2006, 04:32 AM
- - mfb   no to both questions. the guy is either insane, or...   Jul 31 2006, 05:02 AM
- - SL James   ... yet. As for the meta vision, that should be i...   Jul 31 2006, 05:13 AM
- - The Stainless Steel Rat   QUOTE (Nightshade-)Not sure what IIRC means. If I...   Jul 31 2006, 07:14 AM
- - Dog   The see-through-walls idea is often based on one p...   Jul 31 2006, 09:18 AM
- - Serbitar   You can only see hot immovable objects through a w...   Jul 31 2006, 09:36 AM
- - SL James   Firefighters use an infrared thermographic camera ...   Jul 31 2006, 10:10 AM
- - Dog   To penetrate smoke, not walls. Got it. If I can ...   Jul 31 2006, 10:37 AM
- - SL James   Indeed, you would.   Jul 31 2006, 10:56 AM
- - Serbitar   QUOTE (Dog) To penetrate smoke, not walls. Got it...   Jul 31 2006, 12:02 PM
- - Crusher Bob   In the US, most interior walls are sheets of sheet...   Jul 31 2006, 12:09 PM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (Dog @ Jul 31 2006, 09:18 AM) The see-t...   Jul 31 2006, 06:46 PM
- - Butterblume   It is theoretically possibly to see someone using ...   Jul 31 2006, 09:31 PM
- - Findar   Actually the scene I think of is from the Seals mo...   Jul 31 2006, 11:30 PM
- - SL James   "Ooooh, Navy SEALs!" Yeah... No.   Aug 1 2006, 01:16 AM
- - mfb   heh, at least it's not U.S. SEALs. regardles...   Aug 1 2006, 01:58 AM
- - Frag-o Delux   I want the railgun and scope in Eraser.   Aug 1 2006, 02:28 AM
- - SL James   QUOTE (Frag-o Delux) I want the railgun and scope ...   Aug 1 2006, 08:12 AM
- - Oracle   But he/she/it doesn't tell anyone.   Aug 1 2006, 08:27 AM
- - mfb   he tells me. that's how i know who to kill.   Aug 1 2006, 09:12 AM
- - Cray74   QUOTE (Dog)By the way, I've heard about fire-f...   Aug 1 2006, 12:19 PM
- - mfb   god says you can live, Cray.   Aug 1 2006, 01:02 PM
- - Critias   For now.   Aug 1 2006, 01:20 PM
- - SL James   I like the tricks sp... Milholland wrote about in ...   Aug 1 2006, 04:31 PM
- - Dewar   QUOTE (One of those articles)A couple of years ago...   Aug 1 2006, 07:45 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Some things are best left unknown. Though I guess...   Aug 1 2006, 07:55 PM
- - Grinder   We don't who did watch the test? Some female s...   Aug 1 2006, 08:20 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Now now, try and remember that there's audienc...   Aug 1 2006, 08:51 PM
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- - HullBreach   Ive had a little bit of expeirience with Infra-red...   Aug 10 2006, 03:58 AM
- - Fix-it   I'm guessing this was RECENT equipment Hullbre...   Aug 10 2006, 04:09 AM
- - HullBreach   These are actually availible to the public: http:...   Aug 10 2006, 04:36 AM
- - KarmaInferno   QUOTE (HullBreach) But stick them in a 98-ish degr...   Aug 10 2006, 05:17 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Well that's what makes the hunt challenging, w...   Aug 10 2006, 05:29 PM
- - SL James   Please don't tell me you're trying to appl...   Aug 10 2006, 05:49 PM
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- - LilithTaveril   /me sets Jesse Ventura on fire.   Aug 12 2006, 10:12 PM
- - Smokeskin   AFAIK full recoil force from a 5.56 minigun is aro...   Aug 13 2006, 12:33 AM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (Fix-it) yeah, you really shouldn't both...   Aug 13 2006, 01:17 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   It was an M134, so a 7.62mm minigun. Even then, th...   Aug 13 2006, 02:20 AM
- - SL James   True, but to be fair Blain fired it in short, cont...   Aug 13 2006, 03:40 AM
- - HullBreach   Ahem.....the mini-gun thing has been well document...   Aug 13 2006, 05:13 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   They make the mistake of assuming that the gun wou...   Aug 13 2006, 10:32 AM
- - Smokeskin   Imo the guys who wrote that at guns.ru have very l...   Aug 13 2006, 11:14 AM
- - HullBreach   QUOTE (Smokeskin) If they reduced the cyclic rate,...   Aug 13 2006, 06:02 PM
- - HullBreach   QUOTE (Smokeskin) Imo the guys who wrote that at g...   Aug 13 2006, 06:05 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (HullBreach)If a normal machinegun is capabl...   Aug 13 2006, 06:06 PM
- - HullBreach   A valid point, I got my number confused for a few ...   Aug 13 2006, 06:15 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Apparently with 9000 ready rounds. I'd say a M...   Aug 13 2006, 06:21 PM
- - HullBreach   Initially I would agree with you, but a 40mm grena...   Aug 13 2006, 06:28 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   The M549 is a self-destructing fuze? If so, that...   Aug 13 2006, 07:08 PM
- - HullBreach   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) The M549 is a self-des...   Aug 13 2006, 07:41 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   The M134s they have on the HMMWVs are fixed at 300...   Aug 13 2006, 07:59 PM
- - HullBreach   Im really curious to see the performance of the ne...   Aug 13 2006, 08:05 PM
- - Kagetenshi   He who has not read Dumpshock is doomed to repeat ...   Aug 13 2006, 08:07 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   It isn't the basis: the whole SR Assault Canno...   Aug 13 2006, 08:09 PM
- - HullBreach   QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Aug 13 2006, 03:07 PM) He...   Aug 13 2006, 08:09 PM
- - Smokeskin   I actually think we were supposed to change barrel...   Aug 14 2006, 01:11 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   In the long term, barrel damage will probably star...   Aug 14 2006, 03:05 PM
- - HullBreach   Those Echo4 mods on the M60 are pretty sweet, but ...   Aug 14 2006, 03:35 PM
- - Ed_209a   My personal feeling on the matter is that a minigu...   Aug 14 2006, 04:44 PM
- - HullBreach   I agree with you for the most part. A good exampl...   Aug 14 2006, 05:25 PM
- - Lagomorph   QUOTE (Smokeskin)At 1700 rpm, with a heavier weapo...   Aug 14 2006, 06:38 PM
- - Smokeskin   Another example of action movies getting stuff wr...   Aug 17 2006, 09:05 AM
- - RunnerPaul   And just rememer: even Superman ducks a thrown min...   Aug 17 2006, 09:25 AM
- - Smokeskin   I dunno, this guy shot him in the eye from point b...   Aug 17 2006, 12:34 PM
- - Smokeskin   QUOTE (Ed_209a) My personal feeling on the matter ...   Aug 17 2006, 01:01 PM


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