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lorechaser
post Aug 19 2006, 04:22 AM
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I'm finally back in to SR after a 2 version hiatus (Ah, SR Revised....).

I'm trying to get a handle on the new system, and I think I'm doing pretty good.

My first character is an ork gunslinger adept (though fairly different from the Archetype in the book). I decided to go with Automatics with a specialization in Machine Pistols. That seems to give me the widest set of options. I can go from a single shot with a single weapon with a +2 bonus for smartgun, through dual bursts with a reasonable chance to hit the non combat wombats, all the way down to the insanity of dual long bursts in a round.

However, my DM was fairly surprised by my choice of Machine Pistols, rather than heavy pistols. His comment was, basically, wouldn't you rather just do one big shot that you know will hit?

To me, that's the point - I have options. But I haven't played yet - this is all theory. Am I gimping myself by taking machine pistols, rather than normal pistols? Am I going to regret ever using Burst shots?

To compensate, I have the following relevant bits:

I bought Agi 5, plus Muscle Toner 2, plus Suprathyroid, for a total of 8. Then Automatics 6, spec in Machine Pistols, plus Reflex Recorder (Automatic), plus Improved ability (Automatics) rank 3, for a total of 12 with machine pistols. So that's 20 dice, which seems fairly obscene, and more than enough to split in to two pools of 10.

I've got cyberhands on both arms with gyro stabilizers, and my guns both have Gas-Vent 3.

So the actual questions:

1. Do Gyro and Gas-Vent 3 stack, to give 6 points of recoil? If so, will that cover the likely recoil for 3 init passes worth of burst or SA fire?

2. Is burst fire viable in this situation, or did I build all this simply to default to using my XM30 with both hands all the time, because my main weapons suck?

3. Did I do anything illegal in the above? I stacked a lot of mods, but it seemed like it was all legal.

4. Any further suggestions?
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- lorechaser   Dual wielding Machine Pistols?   Aug 19 2006, 04:22 AM
- - LilithTaveril   1) Last I checked, yes. But, it's really not w...   Aug 19 2006, 04:33 AM
- - lorechaser   I also took the ambidexterity quality, so that...   Aug 19 2006, 04:45 AM
- - LilithTaveril   ... I think someone just pulled a me. QUOTE (Ambi...   Aug 19 2006, 05:03 AM
- - lorechaser   Ahh, yes. I'm expecting that part. I thought...   Aug 19 2006, 05:10 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   With twenty dice to shoot with one gun you're ...   Aug 19 2006, 05:14 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   So I guess question 5 becomes "Is dual wieldi...   Aug 19 2006, 05:16 AM
- - lorechaser   But dual wielding does solve the problem of one-sh...   Aug 19 2006, 05:19 AM
- - LilithTaveril   Well, there is the other problem: This kinda makes...   Aug 19 2006, 05:28 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   If shrinking a obscene dicepool is what you're...   Aug 19 2006, 06:40 AM
- - JonathanC   Dude, dual-wield EVERYTHING. There's nothing t...   Aug 19 2006, 07:14 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   That enthusiasm is infectious. Yep, two axes would...   Aug 19 2006, 07:23 AM
- - Samaels Ghost   And if you really improve your jumping you can lon...   Aug 19 2006, 07:25 AM
- - ShadowAnt   QUOTE (lorechaser) Then Automatics 6, spec in Mach...   Aug 19 2006, 07:58 AM
- - Firewall   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) But I do caution you AND you...   Aug 19 2006, 10:35 AM
- - Butterblume   Dual wielding against the elite (like the Red Samu...   Aug 19 2006, 11:06 AM
- - Gort   Dual-wielding is well worth it in situations where...   Aug 19 2006, 11:37 AM
- - venenum   QUOTE (JonathanC) Dude, dual-wield EVERYTHING. The...   Aug 19 2006, 12:53 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Firewall) Yeah... Who did he kill? I mean, ...   Aug 19 2006, 01:12 PM
- - Firewall   QUOTE (Critias) Mediocrity is the path to safety...   Aug 19 2006, 01:29 PM
- - lorechaser   Because when the shooting starts, you run to the s...   Aug 19 2006, 02:15 PM
- - Stephen_E   Lorechaser there were a few things you got wrong r...   Sep 28 2006, 01:27 AM
- - Lagomorph   I totally missed this thread the first time. I th...   Sep 28 2006, 02:02 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (Lagomorph) Stephen: He bought cyber hands, ...   Sep 28 2006, 02:26 AM
- - Clyde   I agree that the build is a little funky - I flat ...   Sep 28 2006, 03:17 AM
- - Jaid   what's with all the thread necromancy lately? ...   Sep 28 2006, 03:19 AM
- - Stephen_E   I'm in the process of working on a two gun bui...   Sep 28 2006, 04:10 AM
- - Ophis   QUOTE (Stephen_E) Interestingly enough this means ...   Sep 28 2006, 09:21 AM
- - Oracle   About 20 minutes ago I read a similar thread in a ...   Sep 28 2006, 10:01 AM
- - Ophis   Yep, ref recorders are an add to skill thing as we...   Sep 28 2006, 10:11 AM
- - blakkie   QUOTE (Firewall @ Aug 19 2006, 07:29 AM) Afte...   Sep 28 2006, 10:14 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (Ophis) QUOTE (Stephen_E @ Sep 28 2006,...   Sep 28 2006, 11:43 AM
- - Eryk the Red   There's no list of weapons with how many hands...   Sep 28 2006, 12:40 PM
- - Balcon13   I play a Sam that Dual weilds Heavy pistols and I ...   Sep 28 2006, 12:56 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   And you are only sending out two bullets, instead ...   Sep 28 2006, 01:00 PM
- - Balcon13   True I do fire half the amount of rounds but I was...   Sep 28 2006, 01:03 PM
- - Stephen_E   On the otherhand the single hardest hitting Pistol...   Sep 28 2006, 03:25 PM
- - Brahm   QUOTE (Balcon13 @ Sep 28 2006, 07:56 AM) I pl...   Sep 28 2006, 03:46 PM
- - Warmaster Lah   QUOTE (lorechaser) Ahh, yes. I'm expecting th...   Sep 28 2006, 04:04 PM
- - lorechaser   For what it's worth, the build has changed a g...   Sep 28 2006, 04:08 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Dual Wielding is in fact generally worth it. Here...   Sep 28 2006, 06:26 PM
- - lorechaser   Very good point, Frank. That was my main motivati...   Sep 28 2006, 07:07 PM
- - Slithery D   QUOTE Counterspelling (Manipulation spells) 3 Mag:...   Sep 28 2006, 09:21 PM
- - lorechaser   True. Which seems extremely silly. From my readi...   Sep 28 2006, 09:32 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (lorechaser) True. Which seems extremely si...   Sep 28 2006, 09:47 PM
- - Slithery D   Yeah, I always forget dispelling. Clearly not some...   Sep 28 2006, 09:53 PM
- - Mahali   When my group ran the number we calculated it was ...   Sep 28 2006, 10:13 PM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (lorechaser @ Sep 28 2006, 11:08 AM) Fo...   Sep 29 2006, 12:04 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) And remember: things go to s...   Sep 29 2006, 12:17 AM
- - lorechaser   QUOTE Correct me if I'm wrong, but you still a...   Sep 29 2006, 12:22 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (lorechaser) So here's what finally ca...   Sep 29 2006, 12:35 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (lorechaser) QUOTE Correct me if I'm wro...   Sep 29 2006, 12:47 AM
- - lorechaser   It's a straight 400 point build. But yes, onl...   Sep 29 2006, 12:52 AM
- - Squinky   QUOTE (Stephen_E @ Sep 28 2006, 10:25 AM) On ...   Sep 29 2006, 01:50 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (lorechaser) It's a straight 400 point b...   Sep 29 2006, 03:51 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (Stephen_E)I see. I suggest anyone who think...   Sep 29 2006, 06:16 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Vaevictis @ Sep 29 2006, 01:16 AM) I...   Sep 29 2006, 06:38 AM
- - lorechaser   QUOTE (Stephen_E) Nice! Good move with the sin...   Sep 29 2006, 02:21 PM
- - Butterblume   Tape your weapons on your forearms, and fire them ...   Sep 29 2006, 02:51 PM
- - lorechaser   Butterblume, you're my new hero.   Sep 29 2006, 03:38 PM
- - cx2   I believe the rules do state that you average the ...   Sep 30 2006, 02:57 AM
- - Stephen_E   Shooting (onehanded shooting in particular) is des...   Sep 30 2006, 03:39 AM
- - Stephen_E   QUOTE (Butterblume) I once tried to build a char ...   Sep 30 2006, 04:16 AM
- - Jack Kain   QUOTE (Samaels Ghost) If shrinking a obscene dicep...   Oct 16 2006, 06:46 AM
- - lorechaser   QUOTE (Stephen_E) Cyberarm - Capacity 15 +4 Agilit...   Oct 16 2006, 03:23 PM
- - Eben McKay   I would say, get the Gas Vents, ignore the cyberha...   Oct 16 2006, 03:40 PM
- - Mistwalker   IIRC, For a human, the maximum augmented attribute...   Oct 16 2006, 03:56 PM
- - lorechaser   Huh. A troll with two cyberarms actually has a *h...   Oct 16 2006, 04:45 PM
- - Eben McKay   QUOTE (lorechaser) Huh. A troll with two cyberarm...   Oct 16 2006, 05:31 PM
- - Butterblume   QUOTE (Eben McKay)The reason you don't need th...   Oct 16 2006, 05:45 PM
- - Eben McKay   QUOTE (Butterblume) QUOTE (Eben McKay)The reason y...   Oct 16 2006, 06:23 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Well, IIRC by the letter of the RAW you can only d...   Oct 16 2006, 06:36 PM
- - Butterblume   QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)Although, I can think of no logic...   Oct 16 2006, 07:59 PM
- - Eben McKay   IMO, a good way to handle dual-suppression would b...   Oct 17 2006, 01:19 PM


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