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> Are Street Samurai obsolete?, well, are they?
JonathanC
post Sep 8 2006, 09:23 PM
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To be honest, I'm not seeing a lot of great reasons to play one, and I certainly don't see any reasons to bring one along on a run. They're difficult to heal with magic, they set off cyberware scanners at security checkpoints, and due to essence loss, they aren't really all that pleasant to be around. So why put up with them?

Adepts can easily equal the skill of a street sam in melee or ranged combat, and with smartlinked contact lenses, they've finally caught up to the one advantage Sams had in 3rd edition.

If you need heavy weapons, well...there's nothing stopping an adept from carrying a Panther XL cannon, or you could save yourself the storage space and just hire a competent combat mage.

Most of the other benefits of cyberware/bioware can be approximated with equipment. The only real exceptions are minor combat buffs like platelet factories (yes, that's a nice buff, but you can live without it quite well). Internal air tank? Just wear a breath mask and oxygen on your next run. Cyber spurs? Why bother when you can have Critical Strike and Killing Hands?

Is there anything that a Street Sam can do that a Magician or Adept can't do better, more quietly, and with greater chance of success?
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- JonathanC   Are Street Samurai obsolete?   Sep 8 2006, 09:23 PM
- - Cold-Dragon   Cyber sams are genuinely easier to create, which i...   Sep 8 2006, 09:27 PM
- - JonathanC   The population figures suggest that magicians shou...   Sep 8 2006, 09:32 PM
- - Exodus   A samurai isn't hte onlyone that is going to b...   Sep 8 2006, 09:39 PM
- - DireRadiant   If you choose to remove limits, either in characte...   Sep 8 2006, 09:39 PM
- - Jaid   basically, the advantage to sammies in SR4, imo, i...   Sep 8 2006, 09:39 PM
- - WorkOver   I keep reading this crap, and the only reason I ca...   Sep 8 2006, 09:45 PM
- - Butterblume   Adepts allready have their new nifty stuff. Sams a...   Sep 8 2006, 09:50 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Samurai have what they have always had. Sheer fire...   Sep 8 2006, 09:50 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Exodus) A samurai isn't hte onlyone tha...   Sep 8 2006, 09:51 PM
- - Lantzer   I'd say it depends on the sort of game you pla...   Sep 8 2006, 09:53 PM
- - Glayvin34   I play an Ork Hacker with enough 'ware to be c...   Sep 8 2006, 09:55 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Samurai have what they have ...   Sep 8 2006, 09:59 PM
- - hyzmarca   In a balanced game, Samurai progress far faster th...   Sep 8 2006, 10:00 PM
- - mfb   street sams tend to be skillmonkies. it's easy...   Sep 8 2006, 10:02 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (mfb) street sams tend to be skillmonkies. i...   Sep 8 2006, 10:13 PM
- - craigpierce   QUOTE (JonathanC) ...(remember, bioware and cyberw...   Sep 8 2006, 10:21 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (craigpierce) QUOTE (JonathanC @ Sep 8 ...   Sep 8 2006, 10:24 PM
- - 2bit   It is a bit daunting for sam lovers to see everyon...   Sep 8 2006, 10:28 PM
- - craigpierce   QUOTE (Glayvin34) QUOTE (craigpierce @ Sep 8 ...   Sep 8 2006, 10:33 PM
- - Thanee   Dunno, I still see the cyberwarriors with a clear ...   Sep 8 2006, 10:39 PM
- - ShadowDragon   In my game, the sammy kicks a lot more ass than th...   Sep 8 2006, 10:59 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Thanee) Dunno, I still see the cyberwarrior...   Sep 8 2006, 11:06 PM
- - Lagomorph   I think a street sams' usefulness comes from t...   Sep 8 2006, 11:08 PM
- - Thanee   Oh, you can fit a lot of stuff into 6 points of Es...   Sep 8 2006, 11:11 PM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (JonathanC) QUOTE (Thanee @ Sep 8 2006,...   Sep 8 2006, 11:14 PM
- - Lagomorph   QUOTE (Thanee) Oh, you can fit a lot of stuff into...   Sep 8 2006, 11:14 PM
- - Mistwalker   I too think that Sammies are still valid. You m...   Sep 8 2006, 11:28 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Mistwalker) I too think that Sammies are st...   Sep 8 2006, 11:29 PM
- - lorechaser   The mage can equal the Sam. But he's going to...   Sep 8 2006, 11:37 PM
- - JonathanC   We're talking SR4 here. Nobody has a 20 die co...   Sep 8 2006, 11:41 PM
- - Glayvin34   QUOTE (JonathanC) We're talking SR4 here. Nobo...   Sep 8 2006, 11:46 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Glayvin34) QUOTE (JonathanC @ Sep 8 20...   Sep 8 2006, 11:48 PM
- - Shrike30   Assuming, of course, that the facility isn't u...   Sep 8 2006, 11:57 PM
- - Mistwalker   I don't know that a mage can break into places...   Sep 9 2006, 12:04 AM
- - lorechaser   6 Agi + muscle toner 2 + + 7 dice in weapon skill ...   Sep 9 2006, 12:04 AM
- - krayola red   Yeah, you can always make a mage or adept that out...   Sep 9 2006, 12:28 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   I don't know, when I made my character I found...   Sep 9 2006, 12:36 AM
- - maeel   IIRC that 200BP limit does not count for magic. B...   Sep 9 2006, 01:08 AM
- - BookWyrm   I don't think Street Sams are obsolete, they j...   Sep 9 2006, 01:10 AM
- - Dissonance   I don't think that using Harlequin adventures ...   Sep 9 2006, 01:19 AM
- - maeel   the way i read it in Street Magic, background coun...   Sep 9 2006, 01:40 AM
- - JonathanC   Huh. So I'm the only one who thinks they'r...   Sep 9 2006, 02:04 AM
- - Glyph   Sammies have an advantage at char-gen in that they...   Sep 9 2006, 03:32 AM
- - WhiskeyMac   QUOTE But consider that while bullets, swords, exp...   Sep 9 2006, 03:49 AM
- - lorechaser   My biggest concern is that Sammies have lost a goo...   Sep 9 2006, 03:55 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (WhiskeyMac) QUOTE But consider that while b...   Sep 9 2006, 04:00 AM
- - cx2   QUOTE (JonathanC) Huh. So I'm the only one who...   Sep 9 2006, 04:03 AM
- - JonathanC   All they have to do is get a hit in a perception t...   Sep 9 2006, 04:04 AM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (JonathanC) All they have to do is get a hit...   Sep 9 2006, 05:27 AM
- - Geekkake   JonathanC is a classist! He hates sams!   Sep 9 2006, 05:33 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 9 2006, 05:27 AM) QUOTE (Jo...   Sep 9 2006, 05:45 AM
- - cx2   Exactly. Mage with, let's say intuition of 4 o...   Sep 9 2006, 06:22 AM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (JonathanC) Everybody in my player group (we...   Sep 9 2006, 06:23 AM
- - Cold-Dragon   Well, technically a mage could give that sam a run...   Sep 9 2006, 07:09 AM
- - Ranneko   If you think that magic is much better than cyber ...   Sep 9 2006, 07:18 AM
- - Thanee   QUOTE (Jaid @ Sep 9 2006, 08:23 AM) (i still ...   Sep 9 2006, 08:35 AM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (maeel) IIRC that 200BP limit does not count...   Sep 9 2006, 12:09 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (FriendoftheDork) The stat limit does not co...   Sep 9 2006, 12:23 PM
- - Thanee   You can spend no more than 200 BP on Physical and ...   Sep 9 2006, 01:05 PM
- - prionic6   p.73 "Players may not spend more than half th...   Sep 9 2006, 01:06 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Which isn't exactly to a magician's advant...   Sep 9 2006, 01:59 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   I threw a post up in the 'Is Magic Broken Thre...   Sep 9 2006, 02:41 PM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Which isn't exactly to a...   Sep 9 2006, 03:27 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Steak and Spirits) I threw a post up in the...   Sep 9 2006, 03:35 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   QUOTE (Critias) QUOTE (Steak and Spirits @ Se...   Sep 9 2006, 03:48 PM
- - Critias   Crap. Yeah, sorry. Half my forums put "quot...   Sep 9 2006, 03:54 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Because you're using up 55 bp to buy the Magic...   Sep 9 2006, 05:01 PM
- - James McMurray   You're not force to spend 200BP on physical an...   Sep 9 2006, 05:03 PM
- - SL James   Well, not until you get Centering anyway.   Sep 9 2006, 05:03 PM
- - Slithery D   Even then. Initiate grade, and not Magic, adds Cen...   Sep 9 2006, 05:07 PM
- - Steak and Spirits   Yes - Proposing that 'Mages have the ability t...   Sep 9 2006, 05:09 PM
- - Charon   We are arguing remarkably vague things considering...   Sep 9 2006, 06:18 PM
- - ShadowDragon   QUOTE (Charon @ Sep 9 2006, 01:18 PM) For exa...   Sep 9 2006, 09:10 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (ShadowDragon) QUOTE (Charon @ Sep 9 20...   Sep 9 2006, 10:30 PM
- - krayola red   Query: Does the spell add to your initiative attri...   Sep 9 2006, 10:46 PM
- - FriendoftheDork   QUOTE (prionic6) p.73 "Players may not spend ...   Sep 9 2006, 10:51 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (ShadowDragon @ Sep 9 ...   Sep 9 2006, 11:44 PM
- - hyzmarca   Metatype : Elf Mystical Adept Attributes Body: 1 ...   Sep 10 2006, 02:37 AM
- - Adarael   And god help him if he gets hit past his dodge. Wi...   Sep 10 2006, 03:26 AM
- - WorkOver   what's that elf adept supposed to show? If yo...   Sep 10 2006, 03:29 AM
- - Apathy   QUOTE (WorkOver) what's that elf adept suppose...   Sep 10 2006, 03:38 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (WorkOver) what's that elf adept suppose...   Sep 10 2006, 03:43 AM
- - lorechaser   Here's a Sammie I put together in about 10 min...   Sep 10 2006, 04:05 AM
- - hyzmarca   The mage still has more initiative dice and a bett...   Sep 10 2006, 04:42 AM
- - lorechaser   True. So maybe put his spec in LMG, and pick up r...   Sep 10 2006, 05:09 AM
- - mallet   But the real questions should be: A) Would anyone ...   Sep 10 2006, 06:53 AM
- - Jaid   why wouldn't someone play the sammy there? it...   Sep 10 2006, 07:05 AM
- - Charon   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Sep 9 2006, 09:37 PM) Metat...   Sep 10 2006, 07:14 AM
- - Glyph   I kind of like Hyzmarca's (as an example), bec...   Sep 10 2006, 08:25 AM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (Charon) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Sep 9 2006, ...   Sep 10 2006, 08:27 AM
- - Casper   Too bad the Ork and the Adepts comlinks are wide o...   Sep 10 2006, 08:37 AM
- - knasser   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Sep 10 2006, 03:27 AM) QUO...   Sep 10 2006, 09:12 AM
- - cx2   The elf's main flaw would be that if they were...   Sep 10 2006, 09:23 AM
- - mintcar   If all characters in a group concists of magic use...   Sep 10 2006, 01:51 PM
- - WorkOver   QUOTE (Apathy) QUOTE (WorkOver @ Sep 9 2006, ...   Sep 10 2006, 04:01 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (WorkOver) QUOTE (Apathy @ Sep 9 2006, ...   Sep 10 2006, 04:14 PM
- - Slithery D   QUOTE (WorkOver @ Sep 10 2006, 11:01 AM) QUOT...   Sep 10 2006, 04:17 PM
- - Charon   QUOTE (JonathanC @ Sep 10 2006, 03:27 AM) Met...   Sep 10 2006, 05:14 PM
- - JonathanC   QUOTE (knasser) QUOTE (JonathanC @ Sep 10 200...   Sep 10 2006, 05:56 PM
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