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Zen Shooter01
post Oct 16 2006, 09:44 PM
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Snipers get talked about on this board alot as dangerous ubercharacters. I'd like to inject a dose of reality into the sniper.

First, real world sniper rifles usually don't do more damage than assault rifles, nor do they have magical armor piercing qualities. Most sniper rifles - note I do not say antimaterial rifles, which are a different thing - are actually chambered for the same rounds used in assault rifles. The advantage of the sniper rifle is its pinpoint accuracy and long reach. Not specifically relevant to SR, but I had to get it off my chest.

Second, a skilled sniper firing from a concealed position is very dangerous. But that's a lot easier said than done. First, you have to know where your target is going to be, and when. Then, you have to have access to a good shooting position at the target time. You have to do all this carrying a large weapon and without anyone noticing you, whether that's your target, local law enforcement, or the neighbors. Then you have to get away after the target is eliminated.

Third, most targets know snipers exist. They will deliberately take steps to avoid the danger. Like taking virtual meetings. Or meeting face-to-face in an airport terminal or in front of the city courthouse, or in a subway station somewhere where the physical security is free or the sightlines don't work.

It's not just a matter of damage codes.
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- Zen Shooter01   About Snipers   Oct 16 2006, 09:44 PM
- - lorechaser   Everything is a matter of damage codes. You don...   Oct 16 2006, 09:46 PM
- - RunnerPaul   QUOTE (lorechaser) Thermal Imaging makes sniping f...   Oct 16 2006, 09:54 PM
- - lorechaser   Have you played Shadowrun yet? A less flippant ...   Oct 16 2006, 09:55 PM
- - OneTrikPony   What are the common real world sniper calibers? I...   Oct 16 2006, 10:17 PM
- - Mistwalker   I don't go for the robocop thermal either. Yo...   Oct 16 2006, 10:20 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) First, real world sniper rif...   Oct 16 2006, 10:28 PM
- - Lagomorph   I'd say most people here try and dissuade peop...   Oct 16 2006, 10:36 PM
- - OneTrikPony   QUOTE but SR has always ignored that that weapon w...   Oct 16 2006, 10:57 PM
- - DireRadiant   Mages get talked about on this board alot as dange...   Oct 16 2006, 11:04 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (OneTrikPony)? meaning that higher AP = lowe...   Oct 16 2006, 11:32 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   kzt: Thanks for the information regarding the .30...   Oct 17 2006, 12:26 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)First, real world sniper rifl...   Oct 17 2006, 12:45 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   Ruling out anti-material rifles, as Zen Shooter01 ...   Oct 17 2006, 12:47 AM
- - James McMurray   Generally speaking the well informed party sniper ...   Oct 17 2006, 12:55 AM
- - Jack Kain   Glass blocks thermal imaging too. A sniper is most...   Oct 17 2006, 01:04 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)Augh, beaten by 2 minut...   Oct 17 2006, 01:13 AM
- - Zeitgeist   God bless you, DireRadiant. If there's anyone...   Oct 17 2006, 01:32 AM
- - Clyde   Sniping can be made more difficult/interesting by ...   Oct 17 2006, 02:57 AM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (Zeitgeist) God bless you, DireRadiant. If ...   Oct 17 2006, 03:22 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Raygun) QUOTE (kzt)The typical snipers roun...   Oct 17 2006, 04:01 AM
- - OneTrikPony   QUOTE First, real world Mage spells usually don...   Oct 17 2006, 04:14 AM
- - Zen Shooter01   Yeah, regarding that. When you ground a fictional...   Oct 17 2006, 04:24 AM
- - OneTrikPony   Zen Shooter01, dude i wasn't mocking you, if ...   Oct 17 2006, 04:35 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (DireRadiant)[attempted reductio ad absurdum...   Oct 17 2006, 04:52 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) When you ground a fictional ...   Oct 17 2006, 04:53 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (mfb) in short, your absurdities are absurd....   Oct 17 2006, 05:03 AM
- - krayola red   What are you talking about? Dumpshockers don't...   Oct 17 2006, 05:05 AM
- - mfb   now that's just not true, and GOD WILL SMITE Y...   Oct 17 2006, 05:33 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 17 2006, 04:01 AM) Police ar...   Oct 17 2006, 05:57 AM
- - Konsaki   GM > And a meteor falls out of the sky and kill...   Oct 17 2006, 05:58 AM
- - Big D   Hijacking the thread, here... Guesses as to the e...   Oct 17 2006, 06:14 AM
- - Cheops   I agree with Dire Radiant. We need some more real...   Oct 17 2006, 06:36 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Raygun) On a personal note here, when someo...   Oct 17 2006, 06:45 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Raygun) They just tend to anyway. In the US...   Oct 17 2006, 07:25 AM
- - Draconis   Just some random thoughts... Uber? No way. A tool...   Oct 17 2006, 07:46 AM
- - Ophis   QUOTE (Big D) Hijacking the thread, here... Guess...   Oct 17 2006, 08:02 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt)Hornady TAP seems to be a fairly well s...   Oct 17 2006, 09:27 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Jaid)actually, there's a post kicking a...   Oct 17 2006, 10:19 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (mfb) now that's just not true, and GOD ...   Oct 17 2006, 01:53 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   As far as Barrett stats, just look under "ass...   Oct 17 2006, 05:50 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   I was thinking specifically of my .308 Win. SOCOM ...   Oct 17 2006, 06:04 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   That could be explained with the .338 Lapua becomi...   Oct 17 2006, 06:15 PM
- - Butterblume   QUOTE (kzt)Also, US FMJ bullets in 7.62 mm NATO do...   Oct 17 2006, 07:06 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Consider that the rules say ...   Oct 17 2006, 07:07 PM
- - James McMurray   How many threads will it take before people realiz...   Oct 17 2006, 07:32 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   You can't find realistic guns in any RPG I...   Oct 17 2006, 07:36 PM
- - James McMurray   No, but it makes talking about realistic guns in S...   Oct 17 2006, 07:52 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Right. There's absolutely no way you can ever ...   Oct 17 2006, 08:09 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Actually, no. A rewritten equipment list would go ...   Oct 17 2006, 08:55 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Come on, Austere...think about D20. That's rea...   Oct 17 2006, 08:56 PM
- - PlainWhiteSocks   QUOTE (kzt) Also I have seen multiple references t...   Oct 17 2006, 09:07 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) I was tinkering with one, bu...   Oct 17 2006, 10:46 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Well, here's what I've got so far. I wante...   Oct 17 2006, 11:14 PM
- - kzt   Reasonable. Maybe a bit more complex than I'd...   Oct 18 2006, 12:00 AM
- - dog_xinu   QUOTE What are the common real world sniper calibe...   Oct 18 2006, 12:29 AM
- - Zen Shooter01   The idea was that I would go on to give new stats ...   Oct 18 2006, 12:51 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt) It's a lot more likely you'll ...   Oct 18 2006, 01:34 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (dog_xinu).45 generally will kill someone an...   Oct 18 2006, 03:36 AM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Well, here's what I...   Oct 18 2006, 03:37 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Raygun) All shot in the head, IIRC. No...   Oct 18 2006, 03:44 AM
- - Clyde   None of this discussion of lethality even begins t...   Oct 18 2006, 04:04 AM
- - krayola red   I don't think it matters. While those are all ...   Oct 18 2006, 04:16 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (krayola red) I don't think it matters. ...   Oct 18 2006, 04:55 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt)Fatally shot in the head in the parking...   Oct 18 2006, 05:09 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Raygun) Hmm. Not that my impression was ba...   Oct 18 2006, 05:39 AM
- - krayola red   QUOTE (kzt)The players are roleplaying. For the GM...   Oct 18 2006, 05:41 AM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt)Marshall & Sanow’s bullet sales bro...   Oct 18 2006, 09:29 AM
- - James McMurray   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) Right. There's abs...   Oct 18 2006, 01:43 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   You claimed that "talking about realistic gun...   Oct 18 2006, 02:12 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Clyde)I think the combats would work out ev...   Oct 18 2006, 02:18 PM
- - Fortune   Personally, I love threads on real life guns. I a...   Oct 18 2006, 02:45 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Argument about gun control? What argument? All fre...   Oct 18 2006, 03:37 PM
- - Eleazar   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Modified by special attribu...   Oct 18 2006, 03:37 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Eleazar: My reasoning was that Armor Piercing Dis...   Oct 18 2006, 03:45 PM
- - Eleazar   Yes, but now no one in their right mind would choo...   Oct 18 2006, 04:25 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Mmm. I see your point.   Oct 18 2006, 04:35 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   Sort of. You're thinking in terms of averages...   Oct 18 2006, 04:45 PM
- - Jack Kain   QUOTE (Eleazar @ Oct 18 2006, 10:37 AM) Ex-ex...   Oct 18 2006, 04:53 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   If you intend to have any level of realism with th...   Oct 18 2006, 04:53 PM
- - Jack Kain   In real life they are developing a type of bullet ...   Oct 18 2006, 05:15 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) kzt, I see your point regar...   Oct 18 2006, 05:39 PM
- - Butterblume   As far as I know the 4,6*30mm ammunition of the H...   Oct 18 2006, 05:42 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Butterblume) As far as I know the 4,6*30mm ...   Oct 18 2006, 06:14 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Jack Kain)In real life they are developing ...   Oct 18 2006, 06:17 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (kzt)Wound track looked a hell of a lot like...   Oct 18 2006, 06:22 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) Not necessarily true,...   Oct 18 2006, 06:53 PM
- - Raygun   QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 18 2006, 05:39 PM) Rifles ar...   Oct 18 2006, 07:28 PM
- - lorechaser   QUOTE (Jack Kain) That is only true when buying it...   Oct 18 2006, 07:43 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Raygun) You keep saying this, but still hav...   Oct 18 2006, 07:56 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Perhaps you missed Raygun linking to firearmstacti...   Oct 18 2006, 08:45 PM
- - Suitcase Murphy   QUOTE (lorechaser) QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Oct 18 ...   Oct 18 2006, 09:56 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   P(one 6-sided die comes up not 5 or 6) = 2/3 P(X 6...   Oct 18 2006, 10:02 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) The increased tissue ...   Oct 18 2006, 10:25 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   The M855 does not "virtually always" fra...   Oct 18 2006, 10:38 PM
- - Zen Shooter01   But I don't think these debates are helping th...   Oct 18 2006, 10:44 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   How could a more realistic approach to the balanci...   Oct 18 2006, 10:54 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   ADMIN:Agreed, let's keep this along SR lines g...   Oct 18 2006, 10:55 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Rgr. ".45 is way cooler, which is the only r...   Oct 18 2006, 10:59 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) But I don't think these ...   Oct 18 2006, 11:00 PM
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