Oct 16 2006, 09:44 PM
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 932 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Orlando, Florida Member No.: 1,042 |
Snipers get talked about on this board alot as dangerous ubercharacters. I'd like to inject a dose of reality into the sniper.
First, real world sniper rifles usually don't do more damage than assault rifles, nor do they have magical armor piercing qualities. Most sniper rifles - note I do not say antimaterial rifles, which are a different thing - are actually chambered for the same rounds used in assault rifles. The advantage of the sniper rifle is its pinpoint accuracy and long reach. Not specifically relevant to SR, but I had to get it off my chest. Second, a skilled sniper firing from a concealed position is very dangerous. But that's a lot easier said than done. First, you have to know where your target is going to be, and when. Then, you have to have access to a good shooting position at the target time. You have to do all this carrying a large weapon and without anyone noticing you, whether that's your target, local law enforcement, or the neighbors. Then you have to get away after the target is eliminated. Third, most targets know snipers exist. They will deliberately take steps to avoid the danger. Like taking virtual meetings. Or meeting face-to-face in an airport terminal or in front of the city courthouse, or in a subway station somewhere where the physical security is free or the sightlines don't work. It's not just a matter of damage codes. |
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Zen Shooter01 About Snipers Oct 16 2006, 09:44 PM
lorechaser Everything is a matter of damage codes.
You don... Oct 16 2006, 09:46 PM
RunnerPaul QUOTE (lorechaser) Thermal Imaging makes sniping f... Oct 16 2006, 09:54 PM
lorechaser Have you played Shadowrun yet?
A less flippant ... Oct 16 2006, 09:55 PM
OneTrikPony What are the common real world sniper calibers?
I... Oct 16 2006, 10:17 PM
Mistwalker I don't go for the robocop thermal either.
Yo... Oct 16 2006, 10:20 PM
kzt QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) First, real world sniper rif... Oct 16 2006, 10:28 PM
Lagomorph I'd say most people here try and dissuade peop... Oct 16 2006, 10:36 PM
OneTrikPony QUOTE but SR has always ignored that that weapon w... Oct 16 2006, 10:57 PM
DireRadiant Mages get talked about on this board alot as dange... Oct 16 2006, 11:04 PM
kzt QUOTE (OneTrikPony)? meaning that higher AP = lowe... Oct 16 2006, 11:32 PM
Zen Shooter01 kzt:
Thanks for the information regarding the .30... Oct 17 2006, 12:26 AM
Raygun QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)First, real world sniper rifl... Oct 17 2006, 12:45 AM
Austere Emancipator Ruling out anti-material rifles, as Zen Shooter01 ... Oct 17 2006, 12:47 AM
James McMurray Generally speaking the well informed party sniper ... Oct 17 2006, 12:55 AM
Jack Kain Glass blocks thermal imaging too.
A sniper is most... Oct 17 2006, 01:04 AM
Raygun QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)Augh, beaten by 2 minut... Oct 17 2006, 01:13 AM
Zeitgeist God bless you, DireRadiant.
If there's anyone... Oct 17 2006, 01:32 AM
Clyde Sniping can be made more difficult/interesting by ... Oct 17 2006, 02:57 AM
Jaid QUOTE (Zeitgeist) God bless you, DireRadiant.
If ... Oct 17 2006, 03:22 AM
kzt QUOTE (Raygun) QUOTE (kzt)The typical snipers roun... Oct 17 2006, 04:01 AM
OneTrikPony QUOTE First, real world Mage spells usually don... Oct 17 2006, 04:14 AM
Zen Shooter01 Yeah, regarding that.
When you ground a fictional... Oct 17 2006, 04:24 AM
OneTrikPony Zen Shooter01,
dude i wasn't mocking you, if ... Oct 17 2006, 04:35 AM
mfb QUOTE (DireRadiant)[attempted reductio ad absurdum... Oct 17 2006, 04:52 AM
Critias QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) When you ground a fictional ... Oct 17 2006, 04:53 AM
Fortune QUOTE (mfb) in short, your absurdities are absurd.... Oct 17 2006, 05:03 AM
krayola red What are you talking about? Dumpshockers don't... Oct 17 2006, 05:05 AM
mfb now that's just not true, and GOD WILL SMITE Y... Oct 17 2006, 05:33 AM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 17 2006, 04:01 AM) Police ar... Oct 17 2006, 05:57 AM
Konsaki GM > And a meteor falls out of the sky and kill... Oct 17 2006, 05:58 AM
Big D Hijacking the thread, here...
Guesses as to the e... Oct 17 2006, 06:14 AM
Cheops I agree with Dire Radiant.
We need some more real... Oct 17 2006, 06:36 AM
Critias QUOTE (Raygun) On a personal note here, when someo... Oct 17 2006, 06:45 AM
kzt QUOTE (Raygun) They just tend to anyway. In the US... Oct 17 2006, 07:25 AM
Draconis Just some random thoughts...
Uber? No way. A tool... Oct 17 2006, 07:46 AM
Ophis QUOTE (Big D) Hijacking the thread, here...
Guess... Oct 17 2006, 08:02 AM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt)Hornady TAP seems to be a fairly well s... Oct 17 2006, 09:27 AM
Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Jaid)actually, there's a post kicking a... Oct 17 2006, 10:19 AM
toturi QUOTE (mfb) now that's just not true, and GOD ... Oct 17 2006, 01:53 PM
Zen Shooter01 As far as Barrett stats, just look under "ass... Oct 17 2006, 05:50 PM
Zen Shooter01 I was thinking specifically of my .308 Win. SOCOM ... Oct 17 2006, 06:04 PM
Austere Emancipator That could be explained with the .338 Lapua becomi... Oct 17 2006, 06:15 PM
Butterblume QUOTE (kzt)Also, US FMJ bullets in 7.62 mm NATO do... Oct 17 2006, 07:06 PM
kzt QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Consider that the rules say ... Oct 17 2006, 07:07 PM
James McMurray How many threads will it take before people realiz... Oct 17 2006, 07:32 PM
Austere Emancipator You can't find realistic guns in any RPG I... Oct 17 2006, 07:36 PM
James McMurray No, but it makes talking about realistic guns in S... Oct 17 2006, 07:52 PM
Austere Emancipator Right. There's absolutely no way you can ever ... Oct 17 2006, 08:09 PM
Zen Shooter01 Actually, no. A rewritten equipment list would go ... Oct 17 2006, 08:55 PM
Zen Shooter01 Come on, Austere...think about D20. That's rea... Oct 17 2006, 08:56 PM
PlainWhiteSocks QUOTE (kzt)
Also I have seen multiple references t... Oct 17 2006, 09:07 PM
kzt QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) I was tinkering with one, bu... Oct 17 2006, 10:46 PM
Zen Shooter01 Well, here's what I've got so far. I wante... Oct 17 2006, 11:14 PM
kzt Reasonable. Maybe a bit more complex than I'd... Oct 18 2006, 12:00 AM
dog_xinu QUOTE What are the common real world sniper calibe... Oct 18 2006, 12:29 AM
Zen Shooter01 The idea was that I would go on to give new stats ... Oct 18 2006, 12:51 AM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt) It's a lot more likely you'll ... Oct 18 2006, 01:34 AM
kzt QUOTE (dog_xinu).45 generally will kill someone an... Oct 18 2006, 03:36 AM
eidolon QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Well, here's what I... Oct 18 2006, 03:37 AM
kzt QUOTE (Raygun)
All shot in the head, IIRC.
No... Oct 18 2006, 03:44 AM
Clyde None of this discussion of lethality even begins t... Oct 18 2006, 04:04 AM
krayola red I don't think it matters. While those are all ... Oct 18 2006, 04:16 AM
kzt QUOTE (krayola red) I don't think it matters. ... Oct 18 2006, 04:55 AM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt)Fatally shot in the head in the parking... Oct 18 2006, 05:09 AM
kzt QUOTE (Raygun)
Hmm. Not that my impression was ba... Oct 18 2006, 05:39 AM
krayola red QUOTE (kzt)The players are roleplaying. For the GM... Oct 18 2006, 05:41 AM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt)Marshall & Sanow’s bullet sales bro... Oct 18 2006, 09:29 AM
James McMurray QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) Right. There's abs... Oct 18 2006, 01:43 PM
Austere Emancipator You claimed that "talking about realistic gun... Oct 18 2006, 02:12 PM
eidolon QUOTE (Clyde)I think the combats would work out ev... Oct 18 2006, 02:18 PM
Fortune Personally, I love threads on real life guns.
I a... Oct 18 2006, 02:45 PM
Zen Shooter01 Argument about gun control? What argument? All fre... Oct 18 2006, 03:37 PM
Eleazar QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)
Modified by special attribu... Oct 18 2006, 03:37 PM
Zen Shooter01 Eleazar:
My reasoning was that Armor Piercing Dis... Oct 18 2006, 03:45 PM
Eleazar Yes, but now no one in their right mind would choo... Oct 18 2006, 04:25 PM
Zen Shooter01 Mmm. I see your point. Oct 18 2006, 04:35 PM
Zen Shooter01 Sort of.
You're thinking in terms of averages... Oct 18 2006, 04:45 PM
Jack Kain QUOTE (Eleazar @ Oct 18 2006, 10:37 AM) Ex-ex... Oct 18 2006, 04:53 PM
Austere Emancipator If you intend to have any level of realism with th... Oct 18 2006, 04:53 PM
Jack Kain In real life they are developing a type of bullet ... Oct 18 2006, 05:15 PM
kzt QUOTE (Zen Shooter01)
kzt, I see your point regar... Oct 18 2006, 05:39 PM
Butterblume As far as I know the 4,6*30mm ammunition of the H... Oct 18 2006, 05:42 PM
kzt QUOTE (Butterblume) As far as I know the 4,6*30mm ... Oct 18 2006, 06:14 PM
Austere Emancipator QUOTE (Jack Kain)In real life they are developing ... Oct 18 2006, 06:17 PM
Austere Emancipator QUOTE (kzt)Wound track looked a hell of a lot like... Oct 18 2006, 06:22 PM
kzt QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
Not necessarily true,... Oct 18 2006, 06:53 PM
Raygun QUOTE (kzt @ Oct 18 2006, 05:39 PM) Rifles ar... Oct 18 2006, 07:28 PM
lorechaser QUOTE (Jack Kain) That is only true when buying it... Oct 18 2006, 07:43 PM
kzt QUOTE (Raygun) You keep saying this, but still hav... Oct 18 2006, 07:56 PM
Austere Emancipator Perhaps you missed Raygun linking to firearmstacti... Oct 18 2006, 08:45 PM
Suitcase Murphy QUOTE (lorechaser) QUOTE (Jack Kain @ Oct 18 ... Oct 18 2006, 09:56 PM
Austere Emancipator P(one 6-sided die comes up not 5 or 6) = 2/3
P(X 6... Oct 18 2006, 10:02 PM
kzt QUOTE (Austere Emancipator)
The increased tissue ... Oct 18 2006, 10:25 PM
Austere Emancipator The M855 does not "virtually always" fra... Oct 18 2006, 10:38 PM
Zen Shooter01 But I don't think these debates are helping th... Oct 18 2006, 10:44 PM
Austere Emancipator How could a more realistic approach to the balanci... Oct 18 2006, 10:54 PM
fistandantilus3.0 ADMIN:Agreed, let's keep this along SR lines g... Oct 18 2006, 10:55 PM
Austere Emancipator Rgr.
".45 is way cooler, which is the only r... Oct 18 2006, 10:59 PM
Fortune QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) But I don't think these ... Oct 18 2006, 11:00 PM![]() ![]() |
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