 Concealment vs guns, Can spirits protect you from bullets? |
 Dec 9 2006, 05:33 PM
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Here's the scene: PCs and NPCs are engaged in a firefight. A few of the PCs are hidden, but most are out in the open, guns blazing away. Mage (who is hidden) commands a force 8 spirit to conceal everyone in party.
Of course the concealment will make it hard to spot the hidden mage, but what about the guys who are out there in the open already? Will those perception modifiers apply as targeting modifiers as well? I'm inclined to say no for someone out in the open. But what if someone say steps behind a screen to break line of sight, thus using infiltration to hide, and then steps out in the open again? Am I being too harsh saying the concealment power doesn't apply to people standing there right out in the open? Best, Chazuli |
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chazuli Concealment vs guns Dec 9 2006, 05:33 PM
Mistwalker I would say that the ones out in the open do get c... Dec 9 2006, 05:44 PM Zen Shooter01 Concealment is called Concealment, not Invisibilit... Dec 9 2006, 06:00 PM djinni QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) Concealment is called Concea... Dec 9 2006, 06:32 PM chazuli OK, assuming I set the threshold to spot the PCs u... Dec 9 2006, 07:22 PM hyzmarca Conceament provides modifiers to perception tests.... Dec 9 2006, 07:29 PM Big D So if you put Concealment up and jump behind a dum... Dec 9 2006, 08:44 PM djinni QUOTE (Big D) But if you just stand in the open an... Dec 9 2006, 08:51 PM Big D But if you're standing in the open, and have a... Dec 10 2006, 05:41 PM Serbitar Technically speaking, you are constantly rolling p... Dec 10 2006, 05:45 PM Mistwalker Big D,
That is why, in my examples, I had things ... Dec 10 2006, 06:38 PM Charon I don't buy it.
QUOTE (Chazuli)Will those per... Dec 10 2006, 07:12 PM ShadowDragon I agree with Charon, if a character fires an unsil... Dec 11 2006, 01:20 AM Serbitar So when exactly is a perception test needed and wh... Dec 11 2006, 01:35 AM Charon When I say so. Dec 11 2006, 02:07 AM Voorhees When they're partially hidden? Dec 11 2006, 02:54 AM Kremlin KOA QUOTE (ShadowDragon) I agree with Charon, if a cha... Dec 11 2006, 04:16 AM Mistwalker Ah, but does it count as partial hidden, when it i... Dec 11 2006, 04:16 AM Jaid QUOTE (Mistwalker) Ah, but does it count as partia... Dec 11 2006, 04:47 AM Charon QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Dec 10 2006, 11:16 PM) Ah... Dec 11 2006, 05:03 AM Crusher Bob Yes, but the concealment power is equivalent to ... Dec 11 2006, 05:11 AM Garrowolf Actually the Mystically hide part could mean that ... Dec 11 2006, 05:20 AM ShadowDragon QUOTE Yes, but the concealment power is equivalent... Dec 11 2006, 05:27 AM Kremlin KOA QUOTE (Charon)
You seem to want this power to be... Dec 11 2006, 07:32 AM Charon QUOTE (Kremlin KOA @ Dec 11 2006, 02:32 AM) O... Dec 11 2006, 08:39 AM Kremlin KOA QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 11 2006, 04:39 PM) QUOTE ... Dec 11 2006, 08:44 AM Charon Didn't miss it.
Gamemasters should limit the... Dec 11 2006, 08:57 AM Kremlin KOA QUOTE Didn't miss it.
Gamemasters should limi... Dec 11 2006, 09:16 AM Crusher Bob Yes, my interpretation of what concealment does is... Dec 11 2006, 09:51 AM Mistwalker Hmm, on more than one occasion, someone has said t... Dec 11 2006, 12:14 PM TBRMInsanity I would treat the situation as blind fire for the ... Dec 11 2006, 01:21 PM Fortune QUOTE (Mistwalker) The other side is that it works... Dec 11 2006, 01:44 PM Crusher Bob The beaten zone of your artillery barrage it not e... Dec 11 2006, 02:07 PM cx2 I'd go with the interprretation that it takes ... Dec 11 2006, 02:10 PM toturi QUOTE (chazuli) Here's the scene: PCs and NPC... Dec 11 2006, 03:04 PM toturi Don't forget: Concealment doesn't just mea... Dec 11 2006, 03:04 PM Zen Shooter01 When a Perception test is necessary is largely at ... Dec 11 2006, 09:43 PM Mr. Unpronounceable Actually, - (force).
And only (force) people can b... Dec 11 2006, 10:07 PM Shrike30 If you insist, "Target Concealed", IIRC,... Dec 11 2006, 10:39 PM toturi QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) When a Perception test is ne... Dec 12 2006, 01:06 AM Charon QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 11 2006, 08:06 PM) If you... Dec 12 2006, 01:28 AM Lord Ben As DM I'd maybe allow it as a sort of semi-inv... Dec 12 2006, 01:33 AM Zen Shooter01 I agree with Charon. That's the way I use Conc... Dec 12 2006, 01:40 AM Mistwalker Don't know if or when I will get an answer, bu... Dec 12 2006, 02:13 AM toturi QUOTE (Zen Shooter01) I agree with Charon. That... Dec 12 2006, 02:20 AM Charon QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 11 2006, 09:20 PM) I... Dec 12 2006, 02:33 AM toturi QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 12 2006, 10:33 AM) QUOTE ... Dec 12 2006, 02:40 AM Lord Ben QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 11 2006, 09:20 PM) But if... Dec 12 2006, 02:43 AM toturi QUOTE (Lord Ben) QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 11 2006,... Dec 12 2006, 03:03 AM Fortune There's a Reload test now? Dec 12 2006, 03:19 AM Lord Ben It was a joke, but change it to a glitch on the ru... Dec 12 2006, 03:32 AM Fortune Or it could be, as was said, a failed (or even Gli... Dec 12 2006, 03:36 AM chazuli QUOTE (Mistwalker) Don't know if or when I wil... Dec 15 2006, 09:14 PM Kesslan QUOTE (Kremlin KOA) Yes: You can miss a scream 10 ... Dec 16 2006, 05:00 AM Mistwalker QUOTE (chazuli) QUOTE (Mistwalker @ Dec 11 20... Dec 20 2006, 04:49 PM chazuli I guess my big problem with this question, is it m... Dec 20 2006, 08:21 PM Ranneko I'd treat it the same way as a Chameleon suit.... Dec 21 2006, 12:06 AM chazuli QUOTE (Ranneko @ Dec 20 2006, 07:06 PM) I... Dec 21 2006, 04:08 PM toturi Note: Visibility Modifiers(p117) != Visibility... Dec 22 2006, 12:48 AM Shrike30 QUOTE (chazuli) Personally, I think it's gameb... Dec 22 2006, 08:02 PM Sren ITs pretty easy to come up with house rules for co... Dec 25 2006, 06:55 AM Ranneko QUOTE (chazuli) QUOTE (Ranneko @ Dec 20 2006,... Dec 25 2006, 08:07 AM chazuli Further conversation on the issue with my players ... Dec 27 2006, 05:04 PM Shrike30 QUOTE Concealment subtracts a number of dice equal... Dec 28 2006, 12:31 AM Kesslan QUOTE (Shrike30) QUOTE Concealment subtracts a num... Dec 28 2006, 05:13 AM Shrike30 I agree that the fluffy sentence about what the ab... Dec 28 2006, 05:27 PM toturi QUOTE (chazuli) I think that in my game, once loca... Dec 29 2006, 01:16 AM Zak QUOTE (toturi)I do not see a Target Concealed mod ... Dec 29 2006, 02:00 AM Kremlin KOA KInda, when spotted, concealment is effectivealy b... Dec 29 2006, 02:54 AM toturi QUOTE (Kremlin KOA @ Dec 29 2006, 10:54 AM) K... Dec 29 2006, 04:22 AM Kesslan QUOTE (toturi) QUOTE (Kremlin KOA @ Dec 29 20... Dec 29 2006, 04:51 AM toturi QUOTE (Kesslan @ Dec 29 2006, 12:51 PM)Yeah b... Dec 29 2006, 09:15 AM Kesslan Except that you seem to forget that there would th... Dec 29 2006, 09:49 AM toturi QUOTE (Kesslan @ Dec 29 2006, 05:49 PM) Excep... Dec 29 2006, 10:23 AM Kesslan QUOTE (toturi) QUOTE Gamemasters should limit thei... Dec 29 2006, 11:00 AM toturi It also goes on to state the limits to that statem... Dec 29 2006, 11:50 AM Kesslan Except your totally forgetting that perception als... Dec 29 2006, 12:24 PM toturi QUOTE (Kesslan) Except your totally forgetting tha... Dec 29 2006, 01:20 PM Kremlin KOA QUOTE (toturi) QUOTE (Kesslan @ Dec 29 2006, ... Dec 29 2006, 03:38 PM Eben McKay The problem with the situation in the parking lot ... Dec 29 2006, 03:49 PM Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Eben McKay) A firing gun does not make a no... Dec 29 2006, 03:53 PM Charon Toturi:
Are you just taking this position for the... Dec 29 2006, 06:14 PM toturi QUOTE (Charon) Toturi:
Are you just taking this p... Dec 30 2006, 01:47 AM Kesslan QUOTE (toturi) QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 30 2006, 0... Dec 30 2006, 05:09 AM Charon QUOTE (toturi @ Dec 29 2006, 08:47 PM) No, no... Dec 30 2006, 05:26 AM Kesslan Also keep in mind part of the reason for that rule... Dec 30 2006, 05:48 AM toturi QUOTE (Charon @ Dec 30 2006, 01:26 PM) I see.... Dec 30 2006, 04:08 PM ornot I think that insisting on a perception check befor... Dec 31 2006, 12:01 PM Big D Sigh... this is getting carried away.
IMHO, I hav... Jan 1 2007, 04:49 AM toturi Then my answer would be:
1) How do you different... Jan 1 2007, 10:38 AM Kesslan QUOTE (toturi) Then my answer would be:
1) How d... Jan 2 2007, 04:12 AM toturi You are thinking Real Life, when you should be thi... Jan 2 2007, 01:22 PM Thane36425 The way I have always ruled on concealment is that... Jan 2 2007, 07:57 PM Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (Kesslan) Also keep in mind part of the reas... Jan 2 2007, 08:39 PM Charon QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) +8 dice to get an actu... Jan 2 2007, 09:56 PM Charon QUOTE (toturi) You are thinking Real Life, when yo... Jan 2 2007, 09:58 PM Demerzel QUOTE (Charon) QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ J... Jan 2 2007, 10:04 PM Mr. Unpronounceable Out-of-combat only? Nope - GM's discretion...b... Jan 2 2007, 10:12 PM Demerzel There is also a reminder in the vehicle rules sect... Jan 2 2007, 10:29 PM
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