Dec 21 2006, 07:30 AM
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So yeah, another posting in a thread in the SR4 forum got me thinking. Basically FrankTrollman manged to totally spin the DF into looking like their actually worse than the Azzies, and the DF dances to the Big D's tune even after his death (more or less anyway)
And in some other thread, I dont remember which one now, I'd been wracking my brains to try to think of one dragon who doesnt seem to have a stich of 'bad' associated with him. Finally found his entry in the Dragons of the Sixth world book. Damon AKA Dion. Sooo anyway. Here's the thing, we all know plenty of dragons are 'the devil' and mega all time super schemers. Afterall there's the rightfully feared Lofwyr. And Dunkie sure proved to have (and may yet still prove further) that not only was he a grand schemer in life, but also in death. And since you dont have 'clearcut' lines in dragon behaviour (Ultimately good/bad) as you do in D&D (Metalic good vs Chromatic evil dragons) I'm trying more or less to get a proper 'feel' for dragons as a whole. DOTSW goes a long way towards helping with this.. but it also presents what at least appears to be almost polar opposites. Dragons, who are.. for the most part, no different than metahumanity as a whole. For example, there's Damon/Dion who apparently at least for now, runs about the world attenting and indulding in all sorts of various pleasures of life. Gambling, clubbing, driving fast cars really really realy fast... stuff like that. And you've got Perianwyr who used to be a hitman for the Azzies, broke off, is into music, helped startup a denver club and still occasionally runs the shadows (supposedly, and quite likely for Ghostwalker, since it is Ghost's turf afterall, which begs, given dragon SOP that something in return must be given.) And you've got sort of.. inbetweens. Ghostwalker himself, who.. far as I can tell is neither really good, nor bad. Just.. somewhere in between. Hestaby who's supposedly 'good' but has a much darker underbelly. Celedyr who strikes me as a more or less 'ok guy' for a dragon. Lofwyr seems to be effectively satan incarnate Rhonabwy is abit of an oddity since he seems to be some big time schemer, yet also apparently has a great love for music of all kinds. So while apparently the vast majority of dragons will lead you down the roads of temptation and into damnation.. will all of them do so? Or are there really some dragons out there that really are 'good' at heart and arnt out to do you harm unless, of course you are out to do -them- harm, or are percieved as such? I suppose what I'm really trying to figgure out, is if there's really some dragons out there that really -do- have a live and let live sort of outlook on life, as opposed to being allways out for power, money, and total control of their ever expanding domains? Ones that for example, should they start a buisiness and be outdone by a competitor (and we'll assume, even though it's quite likely otherwise) that beat them fairly, wont infact turn around, scheme to ruin that persons life, the life of tehir children, their childrens children, and then 1000 years down the road, massacre that person's entire bloodline right down to the pet goldfish in revenge? And I suppose, it also comes down to the big question of.. is there ever a dragon you can really, truely trust? One that isnt simply using you but may infact actually genuinely consider you a friend/confidant etc? Or are they all realy out to scrag the world, dominate metahumanity, make us all their slaves in their demonic games of chance and chess? To friviously build up and destroy as they see fit and as may strike their whim and fancy at the time and frag you and what ever you think about the matter!? Just food for thought 8) |
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Kesslan Is there such a thing as a 'good' Dragon? Dec 21 2006, 07:30 AM
Crusher Bob I see most of Dragon activities as minimizing risk... Dec 21 2006, 10:05 AM
Oracle I don't think dragons fall in categories of go... Dec 21 2006, 10:05 AM
Ophis Simple answer - NO.
Side point - An appreciatio... Dec 21 2006, 10:06 AM
Herald of Verjigorm Of course there is. All the ones with metallic sc... Dec 21 2006, 03:44 PM
Kagetenshi Why would you say Lofwyr is satan incarnate? Is be... Dec 21 2006, 03:53 PM
Moon-Hawk Isn't this sort of like asking if insects thin... Dec 21 2006, 03:58 PM
Backgammon QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) or protect their environments wi... Dec 21 2006, 05:33 PM
Moon-Hawk Unless of course the farmer is some wacky Jainist ... Dec 21 2006, 05:42 PM
lorechaser I find that a Dragon smothered in a nice orange hi... Dec 21 2006, 06:16 PM
SL James The only good dragon is a dead dragon.
But they... Dec 21 2006, 07:34 PM
knasser Without getting too into specific dragons, I have ... Dec 21 2006, 08:32 PM
FrankTrollman Dragons are solitary creatures, not eusocial creat... Dec 21 2006, 08:46 PM
mfb couldn't it be argued that Dunk, having ... Dec 21 2006, 09:08 PM
James McMurray In the grim future of the 6th world, is there such... Dec 21 2006, 09:16 PM
Kyoto Kid QUOTE Hestaby who's supposedly 'good' ... Dec 21 2006, 09:34 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (FrankTrollman) In any case where she believ... Dec 21 2006, 09:37 PM
Konsaki QUOTE (James McMurray) In the grim future of the 6... Dec 21 2006, 09:38 PM
mfb QUOTE (Kagetenshi)This is the action of any ration... Dec 21 2006, 09:39 PM
Butterblume The Dune reference is probably a good example for ... Dec 21 2006, 09:44 PM
Dawnshadow What is "good"?
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No, seriously. How ... Dec 21 2006, 09:45 PM
mfb nah, nice and good aren't the same thing. i th... Dec 21 2006, 09:54 PM
knasser QUOTE (Dawnshadow) What is "good"?
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... Dec 21 2006, 09:58 PM
Herald of Verjigorm QUOTE (James McMurray) In the grim future of the 6... Dec 21 2006, 10:11 PM
jrpigman QUOTE (Dawnshadow) What is "good"?
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... Dec 21 2006, 10:32 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (mfb @ Dec 21 2006, 04:39 PM) QUOTE (Ka... Dec 21 2006, 10:41 PM
mfb it's not that it's untrue, understand. it... Dec 21 2006, 10:51 PM
Vaevictis Dragons aren't good. They aren't evil.
A... Dec 21 2006, 11:03 PM
mfb gonna leave my above post to stand on its own, sin... Dec 21 2006, 11:05 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE
The question of whether or not doing so is ... Dec 21 2006, 11:09 PM
Vaevictis QUOTE (FrankTrollman) "total raging cock... Dec 21 2006, 11:14 PM
James McMurray Shadowrun needs an Alignment system to help solve ... Dec 21 2006, 11:58 PM
Konsaki Ah... No. Dec 22 2006, 12:01 AM
Mortax QUOTE (Vaevictis) Dragons aren't good. They a... Dec 22 2006, 12:11 AM
Dawnshadow QUOTE (knasser) QUOTE (Dawnshadow @ Dec 21 20... Dec 22 2006, 12:11 AM
SL James QUOTE (James McMurray) Shadowrun needs an Alignmen... Dec 22 2006, 01:21 AM
Mortax I know you guys are kidding, but I swear if that h... Dec 22 2006, 01:26 AM
fistandantilus3.0 QUOTE (James McMurray) Shadowrun needs an Alignmen... Dec 22 2006, 01:34 AM
mfb QUOTE (SL James) QUOTE (James McMurray @ Dec ... Dec 22 2006, 01:44 AM
SL James QUOTE (Mortax) I know you guys are kidding, but I ... Dec 22 2006, 01:51 AM
Snow_Fox n odragon sees themselves as evil. They are worki... Dec 22 2006, 02:02 AM
fistandantilus3.0 QUOTE (Snow_Fox) Hestaby and Dunkelzahn seem to be... Dec 22 2006, 02:08 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE But I'm sure all the dragons could justi... Dec 22 2006, 02:12 AM
fistandantilus3.0 I disagree on "incapable", more "un... Dec 22 2006, 02:16 AM
Tanegar QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE The best result of the Pr... Dec 22 2006, 03:30 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Tanegar) QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 21 20... Dec 22 2006, 03:47 AM
Kagetenshi Ok, I'm not going to say you know nothing abou... Dec 22 2006, 04:20 AM
Kesslan QUOTE (Ophis) Side point - An appreciation of musi... Dec 22 2006, 07:12 AM
Ophis @Kesslan - I was being picky I admit...
On Lofwyr... Dec 22 2006, 09:56 AM
mfb i wouldn't call Lofwyr good, but he's defi... Dec 22 2006, 10:10 AM
Fortune QUOTE (Ophis) On Lofwyr, this may sound to some a ... Dec 22 2006, 10:11 AM
mfb yeah, he's not evil. he's... hungry. he do... Dec 22 2006, 10:38 AM
Kesslan QUOTE (Ophis) @Kesslan - I was being picky I admit... Dec 22 2006, 10:40 AM
Fortune People are wary of screwing with S.K. because of L... Dec 22 2006, 10:46 AM
mfb i see Lofwyr more as the type to manipulate things... Dec 22 2006, 10:49 AM
Kesslan Well he's got a strong reputation for it, larg... Dec 22 2006, 10:51 AM
Fortune If you take the long (and admittedly non human and... Dec 22 2006, 11:00 AM
Kesslan Sort of a weed out the weak, get the survivors use... Dec 22 2006, 11:09 AM
Fortune QUOTE (Kesslan @ Dec 22 2006, 10:09 PM) Sort ... Dec 22 2006, 12:57 PM
Crusher Bob Tell a pack of runners that they are running again... Dec 22 2006, 01:20 PM
Kesslan Except that Lofwyr has screwed over alot more than... Dec 22 2006, 02:13 PM
Fortune In what way? Can you give some specific examples? Dec 22 2006, 02:33 PM
fistandantilus3.0 how 'bout dumping hazardous waste? Although th... Dec 22 2006, 02:39 PM
Fortune QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) how 'bout dumping ha... Dec 22 2006, 02:41 PM
fistandantilus3.0 Oh I'm not saying he's evil. II consider h... Dec 22 2006, 02:44 PM
Grinder No difference to any other corp in the 6th world. Dec 22 2006, 03:20 PM
fistandantilus3.0 Except that Lowfyr micromanages an entire freaking... Dec 22 2006, 03:26 PM
Grinder That's a point I never believed. I mean, he kn... Dec 22 2006, 03:28 PM
fistandantilus3.0 He knows your insurance premiums too.
just you... Dec 22 2006, 03:35 PM
Grinder RE: Is there such a thing as a 'good' Dragon? Dec 22 2006, 03:54 PM
SL James QUOTE (Snow_Fox)n odragon sees themselves as evil.... Dec 22 2006, 04:37 PM
Kyoto Kid QUOTE (Crusher Bob)Tell a pack of runners that the... Dec 22 2006, 04:49 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE Simply put he judges everyone by their abili... Dec 22 2006, 05:57 PM
Dawnshadow Flesh is simply dead meat -- the fact that it once... Dec 22 2006, 06:16 PM
Lindt Man, I should go pick up SotF, Hestaby never came ... Dec 22 2006, 06:33 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Dawnshadow @ Dec 22 2006, 01:16 PM) Fl... Dec 22 2006, 06:49 PM
Dawnshadow FrankTrollman: I see no difference. They're bo... Dec 22 2006, 07:56 PM
FrankTrollman Draining a point of Essence requires an extended t... Dec 22 2006, 08:11 PM
SL James Bah. It's just that orks are evil, so orks wit... Dec 22 2006, 08:24 PM
Dawnshadow QUOTE ("SR3-Critters @ pg 10")The ... Dec 22 2006, 08:25 PM
SL James QUOTE (Dawnshadow) So no, they don't torture t... Dec 22 2006, 08:37 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE by the rules, it's just as possible for ... Dec 22 2006, 09:03 PM
emo samurai What does Damien Knight have? Dec 22 2006, 09:21 PM
fistandantilus3.0 Bugs. Queen Bugs. Dec 22 2006, 09:29 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (emo samurai) What does Damien Knight have? ... Dec 22 2006, 09:47 PM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (FrankTrollman) Flash forward to today. Some... Dec 22 2006, 09:57 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (Kagetenshi) QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Dec... Dec 22 2006, 10:16 PM
Synner QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Dec 22 2006, 09:57 PM) QU... Dec 22 2006, 10:17 PM
Kesslan QUOTE (Fortune) In what way? Can you give some spe... Dec 23 2006, 04:37 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (FrankTrollman) Street Magic, page 111.
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Mortax I think as far as good and evil goes, old Golden S... Dec 23 2006, 04:55 AM
Kesslan Well he certainly strikes me as the 'doesnt ca... Dec 23 2006, 05:12 AM
Dawnshadow QUOTE (FrankTrollman) QUOTE by the rules, it's... Dec 23 2006, 06:28 AM
Kagetenshi QUOTE (Dawnshadow) Wendigo are not in the SR3 Core... Dec 23 2006, 06:36 AM
SL James I assume he's referring to the other corebook.... Dec 23 2006, 07:42 AM
ShadowDragon8685 Re: Lofwyr and Bugs...
I think Lofwyr really has ... Dec 23 2006, 08:02 AM
Kesslan Eh, for that much I'd do it. I'd also pass... Dec 23 2006, 08:05 AM
Fortune That's not really the point. Maybe Loffie coul... Dec 23 2006, 08:16 AM
Kesslan That or he may have made a deal with a free spirit... Dec 23 2006, 08:26 AM
mfb haha, check this. i remember a while back, someone... Dec 23 2006, 08:39 AM![]() ![]() |
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