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This thread will go into detail why if you must have different spirits for threats based on mind sets than you much have them for all different mind sets.
The fact is that insanity is a tricky thing to put a finger on and the 100 monkey rules rarely works. Insect spirits do not need separate rules neither do shadim(sp) but you may argue that deep meta-planer spirits do need separate rules. That is a valid point. I will go into detail in this thread why threats do not need new spirits from a rules point of view, and from a flavor point of view first before I go onto deep metplot spirits. One, what do redemption cultist, nihilists, rebirthist , atheseists , agnostic, polytheists, and ceril killers have in common? They all most all would likely say that at least have of them are insane. To a polytheists the idea that there is no gods is silly, just as the idea that we will go to hell unless we bow down to one and only one god... I could point out more examples of this sort of logic but let's face it. Go to nearest Church, and ask the preacher or whatever.. Is it okay for you to bow down to Zeus as well as Jesus..I mean Jesus is just away to great Zeus..Hey. Zeus . Now let's get down to the myth of the 100 monkeys. See about I think 40 years ago people started to notice that some monkeys on some island started to wash their food before eating them. They put out this paper saying that slowly monkeys would teach other monkeys to wash their food.Or some monkeys would copy the other monkeys. That is until one day 100 monkeys learned how to do this. Then not only did the monkeys that island who were not in those 100 monkeys started to wash their food, but monkeys on other islands did the same... An over night thing. The problem is that well over 10 years of the study what really happened was that some monkeys learned to clean their food, and some did not. Some islands had more monkeys that cleaned their food than other but no single island had all their monkeys do this, and well... This boils down to this, if magic worked in away it did not matter what you thought of you magic or how you thought as it clearly does. THen toxic magic should be the same More later... |
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Cynic project Magic the real UMT Jan 30 2007, 07:43 PM
Eryk the Red Here's the real reason to have special rules f... Jan 30 2007, 07:50 PM
DireRadiant What? The Insect and Shedim don't follow my ru... Jan 30 2007, 07:52 PM
Synner QUOTE (Cynic project) polytheists
Not to quibb... Jan 30 2007, 07:53 PM
Eryk the Red The other side of this (that I like) is that in my... Jan 30 2007, 08:08 PM
Demerzel QUOTE (Eryk the Red) there might one day be a work... Jan 30 2007, 08:23 PM
Ryu The unified magic ruleset for all pc spirits is ni... Jan 31 2007, 09:17 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (Cynic project)One, what do redemption culti... Jan 31 2007, 10:43 AM
Eryk the Red I'm not sure that someone being from America i... Jan 31 2007, 01:45 PM
Serbitar Im also hostile to drug abuse and child porn. Is h... Jan 31 2007, 01:54 PM
Eryk the Red I hate for this to devolve into a religious argume... Jan 31 2007, 02:08 PM
emo samurai But the thing is, even if 80% of religious people ... Jan 31 2007, 02:20 PM
Thain QUOTE (Serbitar @ Jan 31 2007, 05:43 AM) Your... Jan 31 2007, 02:32 PM
eidolon Now that Thain has moved it back to Shadowrun, let... Jan 31 2007, 02:37 PM
Eryk the Red Personally, I think of shamans as Jazz musicians, ... Jan 31 2007, 02:51 PM
NightmareX QUOTE (Cynic project)One, what do redemption culti... Jan 31 2007, 03:08 PM
Thain QUOTE (NightmareX) I like the music analogy, and t... Jan 31 2007, 03:33 PM
NightmareX QUOTE (Thain) Insect Magic is just... well... its ... Jan 31 2007, 03:37 PM
FrankTrollman Reading this thread is like getting a fork stuck d... Jan 31 2007, 09:47 PM
Serbitar Good post
(Offical Frank Fanboi, well, most of th... Jan 31 2007, 11:14 PM
Thain Faith vs. Reason
Eidolon asked that this thread f... Feb 1 2007, 12:30 AM
Cynic project QUOTE (NightmareX) QUOTE (Cynic project)One, what ... Feb 1 2007, 12:32 AM
Thain QUOTE (Cynic project) Point to one monothiist reli... Feb 1 2007, 12:46 AM
Rotbart van Dainig Isn't Scientology only moneytheistic? Feb 1 2007, 12:49 AM
Cynic project No to get away form religion and back tot he main ... Feb 1 2007, 12:50 AM
Cynic project QUOTE (Thain) QUOTE (Cynic project @ Jan 31 2... Feb 1 2007, 12:53 AM
Thain You are incorrect on a number of points there. Fir... Feb 1 2007, 01:03 AM
FrankTrollman Technically, the core of Christianity is that ever... Feb 1 2007, 01:05 AM
Serbitar QUOTE (Thain) Faith vs. Reason
Eidolon asked that... Feb 1 2007, 01:09 AM
Thain Frank, that is the saddest interpertation of Chris... Feb 1 2007, 01:22 AM
fistandantilus3.0 Actually it'll be gold.
I like the UMT info,... Feb 1 2007, 01:26 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Thain) you don't need to be a Christian... Feb 1 2007, 01:27 AM
Thain Shhh! Do not anger the men with the funny colo... Feb 1 2007, 01:30 AM
fistandantilus3.0 I've always liked the UMT idea, from when it w... Feb 1 2007, 01:38 AM
Serbitar Well, I personally dont like this "hey, we ha... Feb 1 2007, 01:43 AM
Thain Sort of like Metallica playing a concert with the ... Feb 1 2007, 01:43 AM
fistandantilus3.0 reinterpratation? Suspension of Disbelief? LSD?
I... Feb 1 2007, 01:45 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Thain) When the learn to summon Mantis Spir... Feb 1 2007, 01:48 AM
Thain QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0) QUOTE Sort of like Metal... Feb 1 2007, 01:48 AM
fistandantilus3.0 You'd think I would know better.
QUOTE Well,... Feb 1 2007, 01:51 AM
Rotbart van Dainig And that did work out how long? The first one-nigh... Feb 1 2007, 01:53 AM
fistandantilus3.0 hehe... actually yes The character only made it... Feb 1 2007, 02:02 AM
FrankTrollman While it is traditional to try to pass off Mantis ... Feb 1 2007, 02:36 AM
fistandantilus3.0 Yeah I had a suprisingly hard time w/ mantis. One ... Feb 1 2007, 02:44 AM
Grinder Got the shaman killed because it was an insect sha... Feb 1 2007, 11:24 AM
Cynic project QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Thain) you don... Feb 1 2007, 05:23 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (Thain) Frank, that is the saddest interpert... Feb 1 2007, 05:26 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (fist)but anyone worth while was going ot be... Feb 1 2007, 06:03 PM
fistandantilus3.0 The character I made was part of the yaks. Low lev... Feb 1 2007, 07:12 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (FrankTrollman) (you can make a fleshform ou... Feb 1 2007, 08:15 PM
NightmareX QUOTE (Cynic project)Point to one monothiist relig... Feb 2 2007, 09:55 AM
Trigger QUOTE (NightmareX) Which is why I think the threat... Feb 2 2007, 10:05 AM
Cynic project QUOTE (NightmareX) QUOTE (Cynic project)Point to o... Feb 2 2007, 09:58 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (Trigger) QUOTE (NightmareX @ Feb 2 200... Feb 2 2007, 10:03 PM
Trigger QUOTE (Cynic project) QUOTE (Trigger @ Feb 2 ... Feb 2 2007, 10:09 PM
Cynic project A mage is a 3-4 point power site that is only good... Feb 2 2007, 10:16 PM
NightmareX QUOTE (Cynic project) On top of that you have the ... Feb 3 2007, 11:14 PM
ornot The UMT info in this thread is mighty interesting.... Feb 3 2007, 11:40 PM
NightmareX QUOTE (ornot) The UMT info in this thread is might... Feb 3 2007, 11:59 PM
ornot well... maybe not info, but certainly points of vi... Feb 4 2007, 12:02 AM
fistandantilus3.0 Exactly what the UMT is all about.. point of view. Feb 4 2007, 12:40 AM
NightmareX QUOTE (fistandantilus3.0)Exactly what the UMT is a... Feb 4 2007, 12:49 AM
Cynic project QUOTE (NightmareX) QUOTE (Cynic project @ Feb... Feb 4 2007, 02:53 AM
NightmareX QUOTE (Cynic project)The twisted are different bec... Feb 4 2007, 07:46 AM
Garrowolf I personally do not like the way magic has been un... Feb 4 2007, 08:28 AM
Trigger I must say I am glad that you wrote those out as I... Feb 4 2007, 09:23 AM
Garrowolf It doesn't make it cheaper then normal. The wa... Feb 4 2007, 10:36 AM
ornot It is an interesting take on things, but I feel it... Feb 4 2007, 04:43 PM
Garrowolf okay I admit I made a math error. I still think th... Feb 5 2007, 04:21 AM
ornot That is mighty interesting. It could work well wit... Feb 6 2007, 01:20 AM
Garrowolf actually I tend to do just that with new players i... Feb 6 2007, 04:51 AM
Cynic project Great Garrwolf, wonderful job. Take simple rules t... Feb 6 2007, 08:36 PM
eidolon Maybe you could post examples of how they are brok... Feb 6 2007, 08:52 PM
Rotbart van Dainig Seriously? All spirits? Feb 6 2007, 09:00 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (eidolon) Maybe you could post examples of h... Feb 6 2007, 09:19 PM
Garrowolf cherry pick the best and screw the rest? Are you s... Feb 7 2007, 08:04 AM
NightmareX QUOTE (Garrowolf)I personally do not like the way ... Feb 7 2007, 09:48 AM
Garrowolf Interesting. The mechanics this way seem to actual... Feb 7 2007, 10:50 AM
NightmareX QUOTE (Garrowolf) Interesting. The mechanics this ... Feb 7 2007, 11:57 AM
Thain QUOTE (Garrowolf) Interesting. The mechanics this ... Feb 7 2007, 03:02 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (Thain) QUOTE (Garrowolf @ Feb 7 2007, ... Feb 7 2007, 03:44 PM
Thain QUOTE (Cynic project) But your rules do not match ... Feb 7 2007, 05:05 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (Thain) QUOTE (Cynic project @ Feb 7 20... Feb 7 2007, 06:39 PM
Garrowolf Hey, if you don't see a problem with it don... Feb 8 2007, 04:16 AM
Trigger QUOTE (Garrowolf) Hey, if you don't see a prob... Feb 8 2007, 10:21 AM
Synner I'll reiterate this because its becoming an al... Feb 8 2007, 11:58 AM
Thain Actually, I think your are confusing an in game bi... Feb 8 2007, 01:33 PM
cetiah QUOTE (Thain) If I decide my Street Samurai will o... Feb 8 2007, 01:39 PM
cetiah QUOTE Look at it this way, in D&D Divine Magic... Feb 8 2007, 01:45 PM
Thain There are clear cut mechanical differences between... Feb 8 2007, 01:51 PM
Garrowolf IF the idea of the setting was to include referenc... Feb 8 2007, 06:48 PM
Thain QUOTE SR3 made a good attempt to show that there w... Feb 8 2007, 07:15 PM
eidolon QUOTE (Thain)If you want Comparative Relgions 202:... Feb 8 2007, 07:49 PM
Moon-Hawk Yeah, that 2042 entry is silly. Feb 8 2007, 07:51 PM
Cynic project QUOTE (Thain) QUOTE SR3 made a good attempt to sho... Feb 9 2007, 02:40 AM
cetiah QUOTE (Cynic project)
Well, let's point this ... Feb 9 2007, 02:55 AM
Thain QUOTE (Cynic project) Well, let's point this l... Feb 9 2007, 03:42 AM
RunnerPaul For money! Don't forget that bit. Feb 9 2007, 04:03 AM
Thain QUOTE (RunnerPaul) For money! Don't forget... Feb 9 2007, 05:22 AM
NightmareX QUOTE (Garrowolf)IF shadowrun were based on a diff... Feb 10 2007, 12:09 PM![]() ![]() |
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