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post Feb 24 2007, 02:10 AM
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Was thinking while reading a Patrick O'Brian book that pirates in the Carib League would probably do pretty well with tall ships. There is a boom of magic in most Carib states, and a full blown houngan war, and a bust on heavy industry. This would make modern, metal ships very expensive. So expensive that magically-enhanced wooden ships may suddenly become competitive.

The object resistance of the components of a tall ship wouldn't be above 2 (worked wood, hemp, and cloth) or at most 3 (for cannons, ring bolts, other metal components). Use a steel bottom instead of the traditional copper. You could prepare the ship as a vessel and put a spirit in it. Or if that was too expensive you could inhabit specific components (air spirit in the sails, guardian spirit in the cannons, water spirit in the hull). Since the mage can easily help make the ship the threshold for enchanting stays low so anchoring can be done. Really ambitious mages could even bottom it with orichalcum!

And to take it one step further, you could make it the Black Pearl by using zombies and corpse cadavers to run the ship. You'd only need humans for the officers and warrant officers.

As I said 'though since magic should be pretty cheap and heavy, modern industry expensive, seeing something like this in a campaign should be believable.
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- Cheops   Pirates of the Carribean   Feb 24 2007, 02:10 AM
- - Serial_Peacemaker   Well I do like the pirate aspect of shadowrun. How...   Feb 24 2007, 05:41 AM
- - Thane36425   You might see wooden hulled power boats. Those wer...   Feb 24 2007, 05:45 AM
- - PBTHHHHT   Problem is that even making tall ships are rather ...   Feb 24 2007, 05:51 AM
- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) Problem is that even making tall ...   Feb 24 2007, 06:06 AM
- - PBTHHHHT   Yes the forests are regenerating, but I can see ce...   Feb 24 2007, 06:12 AM
- - Cheops   Hate to burst your bubble but industrialization is...   Feb 24 2007, 06:55 AM
- - PBTHHHHT   Burst my bubble, hardly, I love to read up on info...   Feb 24 2007, 07:38 AM
- - Crakkerjakk   Fun fact: Back in the day(1745-1844) the most suc...   Feb 24 2007, 08:13 AM
- - PBTHHHHT   Yup, read about her when I was looking up on chine...   Feb 24 2007, 08:15 AM
- - knasser   I tend to restrict the size and complexity of obje...   Feb 24 2007, 08:27 AM
- - Thain   The stealth capacity of a sailing vessel should no...   Feb 24 2007, 01:04 PM
- - nezumi   Keep in mind, I don't think it would be financ...   Feb 24 2007, 04:11 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   One thing for modern day pirates is they will take...   Feb 24 2007, 05:09 PM
- - Cheops   Spirits with concealment make for a deadly effecti...   Feb 24 2007, 05:25 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   How effective is it against mounted assault cannon...   Feb 24 2007, 05:32 PM
- - nezumi   Modern torpedoes would be completely ineffective a...   Feb 24 2007, 06:08 PM
- - Jack Kain   You do know that piracy thrives even today. Modern...   Feb 24 2007, 06:15 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   With a rigger at the control of the freighter alon...   Feb 24 2007, 06:16 PM
- - nezumi   I doubt they'd go into public ports with it. ...   Feb 24 2007, 07:49 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   QUOTE (Cheops @ Feb 24 2007, 12:25 PM) I don...   Feb 24 2007, 08:36 PM
- - Mistwalker   Interesting article Jack I would see the Ghost ...   Feb 24 2007, 11:26 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) My other question I do have is al...   Feb 25 2007, 02:01 AM
- - nezumi   If we look at a sloop-of-war, that pretty well des...   Feb 25 2007, 02:10 AM
- - Thain   For what its worth, piracy occurs in the Carribean...   Feb 25 2007, 02:16 AM
- - hyzmarca   Personally, if I were rich enough to own a yacht I...   Feb 25 2007, 03:28 AM
- - Thain   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Personally, if I were rich enough...   Feb 25 2007, 12:54 PM
- - hyzmarca   You can't shoot down missiles with a handgun.   Feb 25 2007, 02:55 PM
- - Butterblume   You actually can shoot down missles with a handgun...   Feb 25 2007, 03:23 PM
- - ornot   If someone's launching missiles at your pleasu...   Feb 25 2007, 03:31 PM
- - Banaticus   As someone else pointed out, most of the juicy tar...   Feb 26 2007, 06:54 AM
- - Mistwalker   Hich level spirit concealment would help even with...   Feb 26 2007, 07:03 AM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Banaticus) Remember, if someone isn't l...   Feb 26 2007, 02:22 PM
- - Thain   The Caribbean Sea is 2,754,000 kmē (1,063,000 squa...   Feb 26 2007, 02:55 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   840m^2 is 0.00084km^2 or 0.0000000003% of the surf...   Feb 26 2007, 03:18 PM
- - bibliophile20   Let's also not forget the wonderful effects of...   Feb 26 2007, 03:24 PM
- - Cheops   Funny enough the best way to find our Flying Dutch...   Feb 26 2007, 05:26 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Cheops) Funny enough the best way to find o...   Feb 26 2007, 06:07 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Cheops @ Feb 26 2007, 07:26 PM) This m...   Feb 26 2007, 07:25 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (Cheops @ F...   Feb 26 2007, 07:51 PM
- - Thain   The U.S. Navy's Mk-50 advanced lightweight tor...   Feb 26 2007, 08:06 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   If you can't afford a couple of dozen thousand...   Feb 26 2007, 08:19 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   If you're hitting large scale merchant ships a...   Feb 26 2007, 08:26 PM
- - Thain   First, that is not an anti-missile missile. Now, w...   Feb 26 2007, 08:42 PM
- - nezumi   AE is right to a degree. The ship certainly would...   Feb 26 2007, 08:55 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   The RIM-66 SM-2 Block III isn't an anti-missil...   Feb 26 2007, 08:59 PM
- - nezumi   I was looking at Rigger 3's anti-ship missiles...   Feb 26 2007, 09:10 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Ah. Then M-GM Outlaw Block IIIs it is.   Feb 26 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Thain   The RIM-66 SM-2 is a medium range surface-to-air ...   Feb 26 2007, 09:28 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   Right. And the air targets it is primarily meant t...   Feb 26 2007, 09:32 PM
- - Cheops   The real problem with using missiles is that unles...   Feb 27 2007, 12:35 AM
- - Thane36425   The Pirates handbook did say that Corps expected t...   Feb 27 2007, 12:43 AM
- - Cheops   The gunboat thing isn't too effective unless y...   Feb 27 2007, 12:59 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   Long range missile combat in Rigger 3 does not us...   Feb 27 2007, 01:12 AM
- - Fix-it   any pirate worth his salt would use a surplus Chin...   Feb 27 2007, 02:23 AM
- - Thane36425   QUOTE (Cheops) The gunboat thing isn't too eff...   Feb 27 2007, 03:04 AM
- - Thain   The missiles the RIM series are designed to shoot ...   Feb 27 2007, 03:07 AM
- - FlakJacket   Since people have been debating the whole looking ...   Feb 27 2007, 04:45 AM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (Thain) The missiles the RIM series are desi...   Feb 27 2007, 09:56 AM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Thane36425) To get around the concealment p...   Feb 27 2007, 02:40 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Depends on what you're protecting, the largest...   Feb 27 2007, 04:06 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (PBTHHHHT) Depends on what you're protec...   Feb 27 2007, 08:15 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   Oh, was reading some stuff on the Savage Worlds fo...   Feb 27 2007, 09:14 PM
- - Thane36425   QUOTE (nezumi) Again, price comes into question. ...   Feb 27 2007, 10:36 PM
- - Cheops   We've also danced around the obvious problem t...   Feb 27 2007, 11:20 PM
- - Thain   And who's to say that the shaman/mage who crea...   Feb 28 2007, 03:50 AM
- - Cheops   /signed.   Feb 28 2007, 09:35 PM
- - maeel   The most effective weapons against pirates would p...   Mar 1 2007, 01:44 AM
- - hyzmarca   The most effective defense against pirates is a pi...   Mar 1 2007, 02:50 AM
- - maeel   true, but i believe subs are not as cost effective...   Mar 1 2007, 03:20 AM
- - nezumi   I don't know what a picat is, but it sounds ve...   Mar 1 2007, 02:06 PM
- - kigmatzomat   This sounds like a weapon in search of a target. ...   Mar 1 2007, 04:23 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   It would take quite a bit of electronic warfare ge...   Mar 1 2007, 04:32 PM
- - maeel   speaking of weapons on civil ships, i saw a report...   Mar 1 2007, 05:40 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Here's the part I don't get: why use a woo...   Mar 1 2007, 05:49 PM
- - Mistwalker   I believe that there was two main reasons for usin...   Mar 1 2007, 05:55 PM
- - Cheops   A metal ship is a lot more costly and difficult to...   Mar 1 2007, 06:04 PM
- - maeel   didnt they use Oak and similar woods for these shi...   Mar 1 2007, 06:06 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) Here's the part I don...   Mar 1 2007, 06:09 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   QUOTE (maeel) didnt they use Oak and similar woods...   Mar 1 2007, 06:21 PM
- - maeel   another thing learned......   Mar 1 2007, 06:23 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (maeel) The only real advantage about a old ...   Mar 1 2007, 06:25 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (nezumi)Because the wood has different prope...   Mar 1 2007, 06:30 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE didnt they use Oak and similar woods for th...   Mar 1 2007, 06:33 PM
- - X-Kalibur   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (nezumi)Because ...   Mar 1 2007, 06:33 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (X-Kalibur)Get one of those metal storm empl...   Mar 1 2007, 06:38 PM
- - maeel   QUOTE (nezumi)QUOTE (maeel @ Mar 1 2007, 01:0...   Mar 1 2007, 06:56 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (maeel) I dont see, why plastic hulls are mo...   Mar 1 2007, 07:31 PM
- - DireRadiant   Plastic Ship and Chrome Men!.... Nope, I thin...   Mar 1 2007, 07:37 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   What is the "price range" of this propos...   Mar 1 2007, 07:49 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) QUOTE (nezumi)Because ...   Mar 1 2007, 08:02 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (nezumi @ Mar 1 2007, 09:06 AM) I don...   Mar 1 2007, 08:08 PM
- - PBTHHHHT   That's what we need, something out of Disney...   Mar 1 2007, 08:13 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (hyzmarca)Just net the cargo plane and drag ...   Mar 1 2007, 08:14 PM
- - hyzmarca   It'll be a magic net. Or a giant whaling harp...   Mar 1 2007, 08:21 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   A suction cup harpoon, maybe? Finally bothered to...   Mar 1 2007, 08:28 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) What is the "pric...   Mar 1 2007, 08:36 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   If it was the first, you could just as well get a ...   Mar 1 2007, 08:45 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Austere Emancipator) is the free spirit des...   Mar 1 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Austere Emancipator   QUOTE (nezumi)Firstly, I wasn't aware truck tr...   Mar 1 2007, 09:25 PM
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