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ElFenrir
post May 3 2007, 12:24 PM
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Seeing several threads in my time here on varied edges and flaws(and good/bad things about them....definately a lot of problems to be had), i was curious to know some thoughs on varied ones were. Which are some that you like and have fun with? Do you hate any of them? Think they all are unbalanced? Think some are?

I for one put them in varied categories. Liked, Disliked, Like but they have some possible big problems, and Indifferent.



As a GM or player, i tend to like the ones where i can create plot hooks(edges or flaws), or small ones that really don't upset anything. Disliked ones are the ones that A. are just overpowered for what they give(rare, luckily), B. Ones that are unbalanced in the opposite way...they simply cause so much trouble that im loathe to introduce them unless something very, very bad will happen. Im indifferent on some of them, the 'boring' ones that can't really be written about or abused either.

Hunted-6 is a big troublemaker. Not only for the one character, but for the team. If a character has hunted-6, its daaaamned hard to write it so the others dont end up tied up in the whole mess either, as if someone is that damned hated anyone they associate with is probably in trouble as well. And if no one else wanted any flaws, in a way, they are saddled with this one. Someone wanting this one i would probably try to talk into either dropping it down a few levels, or make SURE the rest of the party does not care. Even then, its iffy.

Things like allergies can go either way....severe allergy to ebola is just dumb, but severe allergy to air and skin would result in the characters early death. A few allergies are dependent on campaign(Sunlight in a Winter Arctic campaign vs. sunlight in a desert campaign.)

Amnesia can be a lot of fun. I typically only have problems here if its done from sheer laziness.

Any flaw that requires either A. Ignoring it or B. Killing the character and possibly harming the party in the process has problems as well. (Id have3 a talk with someone wanting to take the Cortex Bomb flaw, but then again, there are ways to possibly have it removed.)

Sensitive System and Bio-rejection get the ire of some GMs, but i mind these very little. Vat-grown replacements are very expensive.

Incompetences are all dependent on the campaign,IMO. Boating in a city campaign=abused. Boating in pirate campaign=just fine.

Edge-wise, i have less problems. Honestly, Aptitude, giving one bonus die, is not so damned overpowered as some people say, i don't see the issue with this one.

Ive seen some stacked Edges that can cause a few issues...but non combative ones. Mix Faces with Friends Abroad, Friends in High Places, and any other Contact ones and you have something there that might get out of hand.

Things like Perfect Time, Tech School Education, and a few others im indifferent on. They never really threw anything off one way or another.

Infirm is pretty harsh. Taken at low levels and it's something for nothing. At higher levels it becomes a bit more crippling.

Hung out to Dry is another one that i find a bit hard to work in. I dont know many teams who would want to keep a guy like this around.

all in all im pretty lean, but i tend to have more problems with ones that are TOO bad for the character, rather than the other way around.

Anyone else have peeves/likes?
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- ElFenrir   Good ol Edges & Flaws   May 3 2007, 12:24 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Aptitude gives a bonus -1 TN, not a much weaker bo...   May 3 2007, 12:43 PM
- - ElFenrir   QUOTE Aptitude gives a bonus -1 TN, not a much wea...   May 3 2007, 01:29 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Well, it's not totally non-broken, since it me...   May 3 2007, 02:07 PM
- - Lindt   Unlike say, a social adept.   May 3 2007, 02:22 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Indeed, unlike a social adept. At -10 TN (all thos...   May 3 2007, 02:26 PM
- - ElFenrir   Which is why, as a GM, i tend to prefer when my pl...   May 3 2007, 06:31 PM
- - mfb   i hate the flaws that are so detrimental as to mak...   May 3 2007, 06:40 PM
- - Shev   Yeah, liar never really caught on with my group. ...   May 3 2007, 07:04 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Indeed. And then there's stuff like Bad Reputa...   May 3 2007, 07:10 PM
- - ElFenrir   It's really interesting to see some comments h...   May 3 2007, 07:24 PM
- - Shev   Actually, it wasn't so much that my players we...   May 3 2007, 07:40 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   Dark Secret, Allergy, Flashbacks and Phobia are al...   May 3 2007, 07:46 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...had two characters with Flashbacks, Leela and G...   May 3 2007, 08:30 PM
- - Cain   I've always had an issue with Day Job. I coul...   May 5 2007, 07:23 AM
- - mfb   yeah, edges should be good and flaws should be bad...   May 5 2007, 07:28 AM
- - ElFenrir   Day Job is a rather confusing one. On one hand, it...   May 5 2007, 09:49 AM
- - Kagetenshi   QUOTE (ElFenrir) It's really interesting to se...   May 5 2007, 11:01 AM
- - nezumi   I don't like allergies or phobias, since they ...   May 5 2007, 12:44 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Deceased was a good flaw, but it started being too...   May 5 2007, 12:49 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (nezumi @ May 5 2007, 07:44 AM) Time Tr...   May 5 2007, 01:06 PM
- - Luddite   I've always appreciated Amnesia in players. I...   May 5 2007, 04:11 PM
- - nezumi   I've increased the point value for all flaws t...   May 5 2007, 04:17 PM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Luddite) I've always appreciated Amnesi...   May 5 2007, 04:45 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (nezumi)I don't like allergies or phobia...   May 5 2007, 05:33 PM
- - Kagetenshi   I love how the allergies that actually exist are t...   May 5 2007, 05:53 PM
- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...not if the GM stays on top of...   May 5 2007, 06:25 PM
- - Herald of Verjigorm   All the flaws you'll ever need Nothing impres...   May 5 2007, 06:26 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Kagetenshi) I love how the allergies that a...   May 5 2007, 08:08 PM
- - Luddite   QUOTE My rule is, if it will not affect the charac...   May 5 2007, 08:14 PM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (nezumi)I don't like allergies or phobia...   May 5 2007, 08:25 PM
- - Kagetenshi   You know, I think a good fix for Incompetence woul...   May 5 2007, 08:39 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (Glyph) QUOTE (nezumi)I don't like aller...   May 5 2007, 11:27 PM
- - Glyph   I was talking about the tables on page 31, where i...   May 6 2007, 12:54 AM
- - Kagetenshi   But GLaKi is so close to Glaaki… ~J   May 6 2007, 01:02 AM
- - nezumi   Yes, I know what you meant. Doesn't SR3 have ...   May 6 2007, 02:38 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Friendly Face, yes. ~J   May 6 2007, 02:43 AM
- - mfb   good looking and knows it / ugly and doesn't c...   May 6 2007, 03:06 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (Glyph) Allergies, phobias, and incompetenc...   May 6 2007, 04:39 AM
- - Cain   QUOTE (Luddite @ May 5 2007, 01:14 PM) QUOTE ...   May 6 2007, 05:36 AM
- - Lindt   I had a PC that was seriously allergic to Soy prod...   May 6 2007, 06:27 AM
- - fistandantilus3.0   I've done that as well. Just required the char...   May 6 2007, 06:35 AM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin)QUOTE (Glyph @ May 5 200...   May 6 2007, 08:41 AM
- - Enigma   I had a game full of massive powergamers who reall...   May 6 2007, 10:28 AM
- - Grinder   QUOTE (Enigma) I have found that the most game-des...   May 6 2007, 10:40 AM
- - ElFenrir   Pacifist flaws are a big favorite with the non com...   May 6 2007, 12:22 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (mfb) good looking and knows it / ugly and d...   May 6 2007, 01:53 PM
- - Kagetenshi   Nezumi, you're incorrect. Good Reputation give...   May 6 2007, 01:59 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (nezumi)Alright, open the Companion book to ...   May 6 2007, 02:10 PM
- - nezumi   It's the only one in the table with the specia...   May 6 2007, 04:48 PM
- - mfb   so, there are two possibilities, here. a) they wr...   May 6 2007, 05:36 PM
- - nezumi   Crazy... LIKE A FOX! Anyway, reading through...   May 6 2007, 07:51 PM
- - mfb   Superman can leap tall buildings in a single bound...   May 6 2007, 08:56 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Luddite)QUOTE My rule is, if it will not af...   May 6 2007, 09:29 PM
- - Ed Simons   QUOTE (Grinder) Pacifist runner don't tend to ...   May 6 2007, 10:18 PM
- - Angelone   Which aren't as effective as lethal damage. M...   May 6 2007, 10:43 PM
- - Ravor   One of the reasons that whenever I finally get to ...   May 7 2007, 02:55 AM
- - Angelone   Phobias, incompetance, and allergies are hard. The...   May 7 2007, 03:18 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Kyoto Kid)I was not the GM For the campaign...   May 7 2007, 03:23 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (nezumi) Crazy... LIKE A FOX! Anyway, ...   May 7 2007, 05:35 AM
- - hyzmarca   Combining Phobia: Blowjobs with Intolerance: Whor...   May 7 2007, 07:39 AM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (tisoz) QUOTE (nezumi @ May 6 2007, 01:...   May 7 2007, 02:36 PM
- - Enigma   QUOTE (Ed Simons) QUOTE (Grinder @ May 6 2007...   May 7 2007, 02:37 PM
- - Shev   I have had pacifist characters before, without any...   May 7 2007, 05:02 PM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (Angelone)Which aren't as effective as l...   May 7 2007, 08:26 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   ...there's also neurostun grenades too. My fa...   May 7 2007, 08:39 PM
- - Smilin_Jack   QUOTE (Enigma) My view, with which some people mig...   May 7 2007, 09:02 PM
- - Wounded Ronin   As a GM, I think that I actually care less about t...   May 7 2007, 09:09 PM
- - Angelone   QUOTE (Vaevictis) QUOTE (Angelone)Which aren't...   May 7 2007, 11:35 PM
- - hyzmarca   Stun Damage is all well and good until someone pul...   May 7 2007, 11:45 PM
- - Lindt   Just remember, a Pulsar is Semi auto. Cant really...   May 8 2007, 12:53 AM
- - Kagetenshi   And then we're back around to an expensive, sh...   May 8 2007, 01:41 AM
- - mfb   plus, like hyz said--auto-injector. hook it up to ...   May 8 2007, 01:45 AM
- - Wounded Ronin   QUOTE (mfb) plus, like hyz said--auto-injector. ho...   May 8 2007, 02:18 AM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (nezumi) QUOTE (tisoz @ May 7 2007, 12:...   May 8 2007, 02:22 AM
- - Sahandrian   I've only had two pacifists I can recall, and ...   May 8 2007, 02:59 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Wounded Ronin) QUOTE (mfb @ May 7 2007...   May 8 2007, 03:40 AM
- - DuckEggBlue Omega   QUOTE (Angelone)The grenade pistol is a baaaad exa...   May 8 2007, 04:01 AM
- - mfb   pacifism should not be SOP. SR is a dark, violent ...   May 8 2007, 04:15 AM
- - Kagetenshi   I'm pretty sure the first thing a security gua...   May 8 2007, 04:20 AM
- - DuckEggBlue Omega   By less heat I don't mean lighter sentences, I...   May 8 2007, 04:44 AM
- - hyzmarca   In the Sixth World, life is cheap. Most aren't...   May 8 2007, 05:07 AM
- - Kagetenshi   Avoiding security is very difficult and complex. I...   May 8 2007, 05:16 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (Angelone)In some situations I can see using...   May 8 2007, 05:53 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (DuckEggBlueOmega)As you said, it's a pe...   May 8 2007, 06:00 AM
- - DuckEggBlue Omega   For starters, I didn't say Pacifism should abs...   May 8 2007, 06:00 AM
- - mfb   QUOTE (DuckEggBlue Omega)...then to maintain consi...   May 8 2007, 06:06 AM
- - Ravor   And besides, as a DM, if I don't make my playe...   May 8 2007, 06:23 AM
- - DuckEggBlue Omega   It's absolutely true, for me. Once again, I pr...   May 8 2007, 06:29 AM
- - mfb   again, that's not necessarily true. you can ru...   May 8 2007, 06:55 AM
- - Angelone   I never said anything about not using grenades whe...   May 8 2007, 06:58 AM
- - ElFenrir   The killing/not killing dilemma in SR has always b...   May 8 2007, 10:29 AM
- - Angelone   I don't remember this being mentioned yet, odd...   May 8 2007, 10:49 AM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (tisoz) Actually, no. The 2 examples in Awa...   May 8 2007, 01:25 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (Angelone)I don't like this statement. S...   May 8 2007, 02:01 PM
- - ElFenrir   Heh, should have been more specific and said it CO...   May 9 2007, 01:07 PM
- - tisoz   QUOTE (nezumi @ May 8 2007, 07:25 AM) QUOTE (...   May 9 2007, 02:28 PM
- - nezumi   QUOTE (tisoz) No, they do not appear as other than...   May 9 2007, 03:17 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Vaevictis @ May 8 2007, 12:53 AM) shru...   May 9 2007, 04:43 PM
- - mfb   even mages don't have that much of a problem w...   May 9 2007, 04:51 PM
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