Jun 26 2007, 01:39 AM
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Hey all!
I'm GMing a new SR4 game. I've got six players, half of which are brand new to Shadowrun. For the very first session, I ran "Food Fight". After the group beat the gang in the supermarket, one of the players (the physad) walked over to the sole surviving gang member, who was unconscious on the ground, and shot her in the back of the head execution style. The character was described to me as cold and professional, so I understood this action, even if it was a bit ruthless. I wasn't expecting everyone to play gung-go good guys. Here's the problem. The group has a character with a conscience. At our next session, this character (the group's Body 2, almost no firearms, not-at-all-a-physical-threat technomancer) set the video of the execution to loop on the AR display of everyone in the group, basically taunting the character that did it. At this point, the physad character basically went psycho. He started screaming at the technomancer to turn off the video. I informed the player that the technomancer had not hacked his commlink or anything, he was just sending over a video file, and that he could turn it off on his own at any time. The player basically ignored this and insisted that it was "not the point". When the technomancer had the video zoom in a bit to emphasize his point (he was upset over the needless killing), the physad pulled out a gun and shot him twice. Shot someone, that according to backstory, has been his teammate for months now, and he did it just because they got into a shouting match. The technomancer only survived by spending Edge on his damage resistance tests. After this, basically everyone in the group decided they could never trust this guy again. He basically went off the deep end over a tiny argument and almost killed a teammate because of it. It caused a lot of bad OOC vibes and arguments at the table. Am I wrong to be upset about the situation? The player of the physad described his character to me as a calm professional, but he portrayed him as a trigger-happy psychopath that shoots people at the slightest provocation. From my perspective, it looked like he wanted to make sure all the other players knew how much ass he could kick so that he could threaten them into doing things his way. He could have easily avoided the entire situation by calmly explaining his reasons for doing what he did to the character that was upset over it. What do I do with someone like this? In any case, the physad is now an NPC, and the player is drawing up a new character that will hopefully work a bit better with the group. How do I allow the players to have the elements of selfish individualism that are appropriate to SR without them shooting each other all the time? -- On another topic, I was running the first part of "On The Run". The group was supposed sneak into a concert and get an email off the commlink of a rockstar while the guy was busy performing onstage. The players pretty much thought doing things during the concert would be too difficult and decided to snag the info when the guy wasn't performing and was logged onto the Matrix. As far as I could tell, the book didn't account for the possibility of not going to the concert at all. They used their contacts to find out what hotel the rockstar was at, and then the group's technomancer (using help from a sprite) was able to breeze through the network, hack the commlink, and get the info all by himself. Is this just a failing of the book, or was I missing something that should have required them to go to the concert? |
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Cellshade Bloodlust and "On The Run" Jun 26 2007, 01:39 AM
stevebugge As for the second point, players will frequently c... Jun 26 2007, 01:47 AM
coolgrafix As to the first question, let the market take care... Jun 26 2007, 02:15 AM
Buster I would kick the player out of the group. Life is... Jun 26 2007, 02:19 AM
Jack Kain Well the quick way to prevent the hotel trick afte... Jun 26 2007, 02:21 AM
hyzmarca Some people like a game where PCs shoot each other... Jun 26 2007, 02:59 AM
sunnyside For the first I suggest having a little chat with ... Jun 26 2007, 03:05 AM
Whipstitch QUOTE (Cellshade @ Jun 25 2007, 08:39 PM) set... Jun 26 2007, 05:05 AM
Critias It cracks me up that his too-cool attempt at showi... Jun 26 2007, 05:31 AM
Ravor Well I have to say I agree with Whipstitch's t... Jun 26 2007, 05:38 AM
mfb IC, it sounds to me like the gunman physad isn... Jun 26 2007, 06:48 AM
Ravor It's the Pink Mohawk Crowd at their finest. ... Jun 26 2007, 06:57 AM
Cellshade QUOTE (Whipstitch)See, to me, that doesn't sou... Jun 26 2007, 07:40 AM
Adept_Damo I was in a group once at a con where one of the te... Jun 26 2007, 07:55 AM
Critias That's a crock of poop. If the GM will ... Jun 26 2007, 09:29 AM
Crusufix I've actually run a game at a con where one of... Jun 26 2007, 11:39 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (mfb) a cold professional--a thinking man--w... Jun 26 2007, 12:05 PM
Dancer QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 26 2007, 12:0... Jun 26 2007, 01:22 PM
Ravor Sure, if someone drew a gun without cause, but in ... Jun 26 2007, 02:38 PM
Redjack House Rule #1: Intra-team conflict must be kept to... Jun 26 2007, 04:45 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Redjack) Killing other characters is strict... Jun 26 2007, 05:46 PM
Cellshade QUOTE (Dancer) I'm somewhat surprised it didn... Jun 26 2007, 09:18 PM
fistandantilus3.0 QUOTE (Redjack) House Rule #1: Intra-team conflict... Jun 26 2007, 10:30 PM
Lagomorph Cellshade:
As for your second question, if they g... Jun 28 2007, 02:11 AM
Talia Invierno Technomancer maybe overstepped, in-game.
Adept ... Jun 28 2007, 02:48 AM
WhiskeyMac If it was part of the PC's attitude but not th... Jun 28 2007, 03:17 AM
kzt QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Jun 27 2007, 07:48 PM... Jun 28 2007, 03:17 AM
WearzManySkins QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 27 2007, 10:17 PM) QUOTE (Ta... Jun 28 2007, 03:38 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Talia Invierno) If there was to be objectio... Jun 28 2007, 04:15 AM
Talia Invierno QUOTE At our next session, ... [the] technomancer ... Jun 28 2007, 04:41 AM
Ravor "At our next session, ... [the] technomancer ... Jun 28 2007, 04:54 AM
Talia Invierno Revised Roberts Rules:
Team Leader: You didn... Jun 28 2007, 05:10 AM
imperialus this is why I don't allow pacifist characters.... Jun 28 2007, 05:58 AM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Revised Roberts Rules:
Tea... Jun 28 2007, 06:28 AM
odinson No, shooting twice would get the guys in the expen... Jun 28 2007, 06:48 AM
Ravor Yep, something like that Talia Invierno.
Naw od... Jun 28 2007, 07:18 AM
ShadowDragon8685 When my team did the Food Fight, I went so far as ... Jun 28 2007, 09:42 AM
Talia Invierno Do we assume that a solid team of professional sha... Jun 28 2007, 02:07 PM
hyzmarca I'm of the opinion that, in a team of professi... Jun 28 2007, 03:07 PM
Talia Invierno And again: you did catch that the thread discussio... Jun 28 2007, 03:09 PM
hyzmarca I may have missed something, but from what I notic... Jun 28 2007, 03:14 PM
Ravor QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)Remember, showing mercy, e... Jun 28 2007, 03:34 PM
coolgrafix Nah. Read the LoneStar Handbook. It's not quit... Jun 28 2007, 03:40 PM
Critias There are more security guys in Seattle than the ... Jun 28 2007, 04:47 PM
Cheops QUOTE (imperialus) this is why I don't allow p... Jun 28 2007, 04:50 PM
Talia Invierno QUOTE I may have missed something, but from what I... Jun 28 2007, 07:22 PM
Gargs454 The most important thing here is to talk to all of... Jun 28 2007, 08:00 PM
Cellshade The player of the physad will be playing a differe... Jun 28 2007, 09:44 PM
Nerf'd I usually regard it thusly:
Hand of God only appl... Jun 28 2007, 10:32 PM
Talia Invierno QUOTE what are the chances they'll need to per... Jun 28 2007, 10:35 PM
Whipstitch Yeah. I really meant for the blackmail thing to be... Jun 29 2007, 02:16 AM
ShadowDragon8685 A rep for being merciful won't help you when t... Jun 29 2007, 02:24 AM
Talia Invierno Oh, and thanks, Cellshade, for letting us know how... Jun 29 2007, 03:33 AM
Demon_Bob Honestly, If the TM was going to blackmail someone... Jun 29 2007, 05:11 AM
Gargs454 My understanding of the Hand of God rule is that i... Jun 29 2007, 01:17 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Demon_Bob) Now a professional killer would/... Jun 29 2007, 01:56 PM
Demon_Bob QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Demon_Bob ... Jul 1 2007, 02:53 AM
Ravor QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) A rep for being merciful ... Jul 1 2007, 03:08 AM
kzt QUOTE (Ravor) Because if you've pissed someone... Jul 1 2007, 03:46 AM
ShadowDragon8685 It can also present survival opportunities.
... Jul 1 2007, 04:13 AM
Ravor QUOTE (kzt)They've chosen kick your door down ... Jul 1 2007, 06:42 AM
Da9iel I think the point is not that the cops will keep a... Jul 1 2007, 05:02 PM
Ravor QUOTE (Da9iel)I think the point is not that the co... Jul 1 2007, 05:34 PM
Rotbart van Dainig You are missing the point - which is the Human Ele... Jul 1 2007, 05:56 PM
Da9iel Ravor: You're right. I missed it by reading to... Jul 1 2007, 06:14 PM
kzt QUOTE (Ravor) It just isn't profitable to hunt... Jul 1 2007, 06:25 PM
odinson Another thought is that some of he big sec compani... Jul 1 2007, 06:40 PM
knasser QUOTE (Ravor) It just isn't profitable to hunt... Jul 1 2007, 06:56 PM
Aku so you only get 7 pts, as a human, of edge, for yo... Jul 1 2007, 07:18 PM
Da9iel So...cats have an edge of 8?
A common house rule ... Jul 1 2007, 07:24 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (knasser) Humans start with 2 edge, metahuma... Jul 1 2007, 07:39 PM
Da9iel Especially since it would take 320 Karma to actual... Jul 1 2007, 07:53 PM
Ravor QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) You are missing the poi... Jul 1 2007, 08:45 PM
knasser QUOTE (Ravor @ Jul 1 2007, 08:45 PM) Sure, an... Jul 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Ravor QUOTE (knasser)See, once again we return to believ... Jul 1 2007, 10:47 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Ravor)No I agree that the "Human Eleme... Jul 1 2007, 11:47 PM
Ravor Sure, it's always a risk that the Joe Blow you... Jul 2 2007, 12:11 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Ravor) but I don't buy that a corp real... Jul 2 2007, 12:37 AM
Critias I don't know why, but this is something that... Jul 2 2007, 12:48 AM
Ravor Rotbart van Dainig that's the chance that ever... Jul 2 2007, 12:50 AM
ShadowDragon8685 Ravor, the last three words of your last post sum ... Jul 2 2007, 03:12 AM
kzt QUOTE (Ravor)As for whether or not the setting sup... Jul 2 2007, 03:32 AM
hyzmarca Wageslave is an accurate descriptor. That's th... Jul 2 2007, 04:01 AM
Demon_Bob RE: Bloodlust and "On The Run" Jul 2 2007, 04:05 AM
kzt The other thing that needs to kept in mind that ex... Jul 2 2007, 04:30 AM
Wasabi QUOTE (sunnyside) The trick is to make sure people... Jul 2 2007, 04:47 AM
Ravor ShadowDragon8685 get testy much?
Seriously, if ... Jul 2 2007, 05:01 AM
kzt QUOTE (Ravor)
kzt hmm, I stand corrected on the i... Jul 2 2007, 05:15 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Ravor) Rotbart van Dainig that's the ch... Jul 2 2007, 08:54 AM
toturi QUOTE (Ravor) ShadowDragon8685 get testy much?
... Jul 2 2007, 10:52 AM
Rotbart van Dainig But there are no rules for what connections Joe Av... Jul 2 2007, 12:22 PM
toturi That's why I asked which NPC can be deemed to ... Jul 2 2007, 12:51 PM
hyzmarca Or, you treat every character as a person, none of... Jul 2 2007, 12:56 PM
bibliophile20 QUOTE (hyzmarca) This is absurdly time consuming, ... Jul 2 2007, 01:09 PM
deek I've just read though this thread...so back to... Jul 2 2007, 01:27 PM
toturi QUOTE (hyzmarca) Or, you treat every character as ... Jul 2 2007, 01:37 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (toturi) That's why I asked which NPC ca... Jul 2 2007, 02:30 PM
toturi QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (toturi @ Ju... Jul 2 2007, 02:45 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (toturi)Would you prefer a Grunt instead? Th... Jul 2 2007, 02:58 PM
Ravor I don't know, although I strongly disagree wit... Jul 2 2007, 03:14 PM![]() ![]() |
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