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Cellshade
post Jun 26 2007, 01:39 AM
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Hey all!

I'm GMing a new SR4 game. I've got six players, half of which are brand new to Shadowrun.

For the very first session, I ran "Food Fight". After the group beat the gang in the supermarket, one of the players (the physad) walked over to the sole surviving gang member, who was unconscious on the ground, and shot her in the back of the head execution style.

The character was described to me as cold and professional, so I understood this action, even if it was a bit ruthless. I wasn't expecting everyone to play gung-go good guys.

Here's the problem.

The group has a character with a conscience. At our next session, this character (the group's Body 2, almost no firearms, not-at-all-a-physical-threat technomancer) set the video of the execution to loop on the AR display of everyone in the group, basically taunting the character that did it.

At this point, the physad character basically went psycho. He started screaming at the technomancer to turn off the video. I informed the player that the technomancer had not hacked his commlink or anything, he was just sending over a video file, and that he could turn it off on his own at any time.

The player basically ignored this and insisted that it was "not the point". When the technomancer had the video zoom in a bit to emphasize his point (he was upset over the needless killing), the physad pulled out a gun and shot him twice. Shot someone, that according to backstory, has been his teammate for months now, and he did it just because they got into a shouting match. The technomancer only survived by spending Edge on his damage resistance tests.

After this, basically everyone in the group decided they could never trust this guy again. He basically went off the deep end over a tiny argument and almost killed a teammate because of it. It caused a lot of bad OOC vibes and arguments at the table.

Am I wrong to be upset about the situation? The player of the physad described his character to me as a calm professional, but he portrayed him as a trigger-happy psychopath that shoots people at the slightest provocation.

From my perspective, it looked like he wanted to make sure all the other players knew how much ass he could kick so that he could threaten them into doing things his way. He could have easily avoided the entire situation by calmly explaining his reasons for doing what he did to the character that was upset over it. What do I do with someone like this?

In any case, the physad is now an NPC, and the player is drawing up a new character that will hopefully work a bit better with the group.

How do I allow the players to have the elements of selfish individualism that are appropriate to SR without them shooting each other all the time?

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On another topic, I was running the first part of "On The Run". The group was supposed sneak into a concert and get an email off the commlink of a rockstar while the guy was busy performing onstage.

The players pretty much thought doing things during the concert would be too difficult and decided to snag the info when the guy wasn't performing and was logged onto the Matrix.

As far as I could tell, the book didn't account for the possibility of not going to the concert at all.

They used their contacts to find out what hotel the rockstar was at, and then the group's technomancer (using help from a sprite) was able to breeze through the network, hack the commlink, and get the info all by himself.

Is this just a failing of the book, or was I missing something that should have required them to go to the concert?
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- Cellshade   Bloodlust and "On The Run"   Jun 26 2007, 01:39 AM
- - stevebugge   As for the second point, players will frequently c...   Jun 26 2007, 01:47 AM
- - coolgrafix   As to the first question, let the market take care...   Jun 26 2007, 02:15 AM
- - Buster   I would kick the player out of the group. Life is...   Jun 26 2007, 02:19 AM
- - Jack Kain   Well the quick way to prevent the hotel trick afte...   Jun 26 2007, 02:21 AM
- - hyzmarca   Some people like a game where PCs shoot each other...   Jun 26 2007, 02:59 AM
- - sunnyside   For the first I suggest having a little chat with ...   Jun 26 2007, 03:05 AM
- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Cellshade @ Jun 25 2007, 08:39 PM) set...   Jun 26 2007, 05:05 AM
- - Critias   It cracks me up that his too-cool attempt at showi...   Jun 26 2007, 05:31 AM
- - Ravor   Well I have to say I agree with Whipstitch's t...   Jun 26 2007, 05:38 AM
- - mfb   IC, it sounds to me like the gunman physad isn...   Jun 26 2007, 06:48 AM
- - Ravor   It's the Pink Mohawk Crowd at their finest. ...   Jun 26 2007, 06:57 AM
- - Cellshade   QUOTE (Whipstitch)See, to me, that doesn't sou...   Jun 26 2007, 07:40 AM
- - Adept_Damo   I was in a group once at a con where one of the te...   Jun 26 2007, 07:55 AM
- - Critias   That's a crock of poop. If the GM will ...   Jun 26 2007, 09:29 AM
- - Crusufix   I've actually run a game at a con where one of...   Jun 26 2007, 11:39 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (mfb) a cold professional--a thinking man--w...   Jun 26 2007, 12:05 PM
- - Dancer   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jun 26 2007, 12:0...   Jun 26 2007, 01:22 PM
- - Ravor   Sure, if someone drew a gun without cause, but in ...   Jun 26 2007, 02:38 PM
- - Redjack   House Rule #1: Intra-team conflict must be kept to...   Jun 26 2007, 04:45 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Redjack) Killing other characters is strict...   Jun 26 2007, 05:46 PM
- - Cellshade   QUOTE (Dancer) I'm somewhat surprised it didn...   Jun 26 2007, 09:18 PM
- - fistandantilus3.0   QUOTE (Redjack) House Rule #1: Intra-team conflict...   Jun 26 2007, 10:30 PM
- - Lagomorph   Cellshade: As for your second question, if they g...   Jun 28 2007, 02:11 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Technomancer maybe overstepped, in-game. Adept ...   Jun 28 2007, 02:48 AM
- - WhiskeyMac   If it was part of the PC's attitude but not th...   Jun 28 2007, 03:17 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Jun 27 2007, 07:48 PM...   Jun 28 2007, 03:17 AM
- - WearzManySkins   QUOTE (kzt @ Jun 27 2007, 10:17 PM) QUOTE (Ta...   Jun 28 2007, 03:38 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) If there was to be objectio...   Jun 28 2007, 04:15 AM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE At our next session, ... [the] technomancer ...   Jun 28 2007, 04:41 AM
- - Ravor   "At our next session, ... [the] technomancer ...   Jun 28 2007, 04:54 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Revised Roberts Rules: Team Leader: You didn...   Jun 28 2007, 05:10 AM
- - imperialus   this is why I don't allow pacifist characters....   Jun 28 2007, 05:58 AM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Revised Roberts Rules: Tea...   Jun 28 2007, 06:28 AM
- - odinson   No, shooting twice would get the guys in the expen...   Jun 28 2007, 06:48 AM
- - Ravor   Yep, something like that Talia Invierno. Naw od...   Jun 28 2007, 07:18 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   When my team did the Food Fight, I went so far as ...   Jun 28 2007, 09:42 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Do we assume that a solid team of professional sha...   Jun 28 2007, 02:07 PM
- - hyzmarca   I'm of the opinion that, in a team of professi...   Jun 28 2007, 03:07 PM
- - Talia Invierno   And again: you did catch that the thread discussio...   Jun 28 2007, 03:09 PM
- - hyzmarca   I may have missed something, but from what I notic...   Jun 28 2007, 03:14 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685)Remember, showing mercy, e...   Jun 28 2007, 03:34 PM
- - coolgrafix   Nah. Read the LoneStar Handbook. It's not quit...   Jun 28 2007, 03:40 PM
- - Critias   There are more security guys in Seattle than the ...   Jun 28 2007, 04:47 PM
- - Cheops   QUOTE (imperialus) this is why I don't allow p...   Jun 28 2007, 04:50 PM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE I may have missed something, but from what I...   Jun 28 2007, 07:22 PM
- - Gargs454   The most important thing here is to talk to all of...   Jun 28 2007, 08:00 PM
- - Cellshade   The player of the physad will be playing a differe...   Jun 28 2007, 09:44 PM
- - Nerf'd   I usually regard it thusly: Hand of God only appl...   Jun 28 2007, 10:32 PM
- - Talia Invierno   QUOTE what are the chances they'll need to per...   Jun 28 2007, 10:35 PM
- - Whipstitch   Yeah. I really meant for the blackmail thing to be...   Jun 29 2007, 02:16 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   A rep for being merciful won't help you when t...   Jun 29 2007, 02:24 AM
- - Talia Invierno   Oh, and thanks, Cellshade, for letting us know how...   Jun 29 2007, 03:33 AM
- - Demon_Bob   Honestly, If the TM was going to blackmail someone...   Jun 29 2007, 05:11 AM
- - Gargs454   My understanding of the Hand of God rule is that i...   Jun 29 2007, 01:17 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Demon_Bob) Now a professional killer would/...   Jun 29 2007, 01:56 PM
- - Demon_Bob   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Demon_Bob ...   Jul 1 2007, 02:53 AM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685) A rep for being merciful ...   Jul 1 2007, 03:08 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Ravor) Because if you've pissed someone...   Jul 1 2007, 03:46 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   It can also present survival opportunities. ...   Jul 1 2007, 04:13 AM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (kzt)They've chosen kick your door down ...   Jul 1 2007, 06:42 AM
- - Da9iel   I think the point is not that the cops will keep a...   Jul 1 2007, 05:02 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (Da9iel)I think the point is not that the co...   Jul 1 2007, 05:34 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   You are missing the point - which is the Human Ele...   Jul 1 2007, 05:56 PM
- - Da9iel   Ravor: You're right. I missed it by reading to...   Jul 1 2007, 06:14 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Ravor) It just isn't profitable to hunt...   Jul 1 2007, 06:25 PM
- - odinson   Another thought is that some of he big sec compani...   Jul 1 2007, 06:40 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Ravor) It just isn't profitable to hunt...   Jul 1 2007, 06:56 PM
- - Aku   so you only get 7 pts, as a human, of edge, for yo...   Jul 1 2007, 07:18 PM
- - Da9iel   So...cats have an edge of 8? A common house rule ...   Jul 1 2007, 07:24 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (knasser) Humans start with 2 edge, metahuma...   Jul 1 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Da9iel   Especially since it would take 320 Karma to actual...   Jul 1 2007, 07:53 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) You are missing the poi...   Jul 1 2007, 08:45 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Ravor @ Jul 1 2007, 08:45 PM) Sure, an...   Jul 1 2007, 09:31 PM
- - Ravor   QUOTE (knasser)See, once again we return to believ...   Jul 1 2007, 10:47 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Ravor)No I agree that the "Human Eleme...   Jul 1 2007, 11:47 PM
- - Ravor   Sure, it's always a risk that the Joe Blow you...   Jul 2 2007, 12:11 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Ravor) but I don't buy that a corp real...   Jul 2 2007, 12:37 AM
- - Critias   I don't know why, but this is something that...   Jul 2 2007, 12:48 AM
- - Ravor   Rotbart van Dainig that's the chance that ever...   Jul 2 2007, 12:50 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   Ravor, the last three words of your last post sum ...   Jul 2 2007, 03:12 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Ravor)As for whether or not the setting sup...   Jul 2 2007, 03:32 AM
- - hyzmarca   Wageslave is an accurate descriptor. That's th...   Jul 2 2007, 04:01 AM
- - Demon_Bob   RE: Bloodlust and "On The Run"   Jul 2 2007, 04:05 AM
- - kzt   The other thing that needs to kept in mind that ex...   Jul 2 2007, 04:30 AM
- - Wasabi   QUOTE (sunnyside) The trick is to make sure people...   Jul 2 2007, 04:47 AM
- - Ravor   ShadowDragon8685 get testy much? Seriously, if ...   Jul 2 2007, 05:01 AM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Ravor) kzt hmm, I stand corrected on the i...   Jul 2 2007, 05:15 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Ravor) Rotbart van Dainig that's the ch...   Jul 2 2007, 08:54 AM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Ravor) ShadowDragon8685 get testy much? ...   Jul 2 2007, 10:52 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   But there are no rules for what connections Joe Av...   Jul 2 2007, 12:22 PM
- - toturi   That's why I asked which NPC can be deemed to ...   Jul 2 2007, 12:51 PM
- - hyzmarca   Or, you treat every character as a person, none of...   Jul 2 2007, 12:56 PM
- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (hyzmarca) This is absurdly time consuming, ...   Jul 2 2007, 01:09 PM
- - deek   I've just read though this thread...so back to...   Jul 2 2007, 01:27 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Or, you treat every character as ...   Jul 2 2007, 01:37 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (toturi) That's why I asked which NPC ca...   Jul 2 2007, 02:30 PM
- - toturi   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (toturi @ Ju...   Jul 2 2007, 02:45 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (toturi)Would you prefer a Grunt instead? Th...   Jul 2 2007, 02:58 PM
- - Ravor   I don't know, although I strongly disagree wit...   Jul 2 2007, 03:14 PM
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