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> Why shoot grenades at people?
Ddays
post Jul 12 2007, 06:53 AM
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Isn't it strictly better to shoot grenades at the ground? Grenades never miss, and their opposed dodge check might actually increase scatter. Why not just aim it at their feet or where they're going to end up?
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- Ddays   Why shoot grenades at people?   Jul 12 2007, 06:53 AM
- - mfb   because that's what you're doing already. ...   Jul 12 2007, 06:59 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (mfb) aiming the actual guy means that if yo...   Jul 12 2007, 07:10 AM
- - Ddays   But there are rules to attack ground with grenade ...   Jul 12 2007, 07:16 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Ddays) If that were the case, wouldn't ...   Jul 12 2007, 07:34 AM
- - Tarantula   Note the FAQ says QUOTE (FAQ http://www.shadowrunr...   Jul 12 2007, 08:14 AM
- - Critias   I guess that's a good reason for the quick guy...   Jul 12 2007, 09:36 AM
- - Naysayer   Hmmm... But shouldn't the super-fast crowd be ...   Jul 12 2007, 10:02 AM
- - odinson   They should, but not according to rules. The grena...   Jul 12 2007, 10:05 AM
- - Critias   Maybe people SHOULD go back to leaving deckers and...   Jul 12 2007, 10:33 AM
- - ShadowDragon8685   I hate to say it, but mighten't it be simpler ...   Jul 12 2007, 10:39 AM
- - Critias   Well, yes. That would be simpler, and make more s...   Jul 12 2007, 11:29 AM
- - MaxHunter   ... and that is exactly how we have been doing it...   Jul 12 2007, 11:36 AM
- - Serbitar   simple rule: Opposed test (attack target): You c...   Jul 12 2007, 11:38 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Never understood the problem. People can handle sp...   Jul 12 2007, 12:00 PM
- - Aaron   I suspect the problem with the grenade rules is th...   Jul 12 2007, 02:08 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Never understood the pr...   Jul 12 2007, 02:17 PM
- - Ravor   Which as why I wouldn't allow the "slow g...   Jul 12 2007, 02:20 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Critias) QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Never u...   Jul 12 2007, 02:57 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Ravor) Which as why I wouldn't allow th...   Jul 12 2007, 03:01 PM
- - Ravor   You're right, they shouldn't, however the ...   Jul 12 2007, 03:06 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Ravor) Add to the fact that I don't fan...   Jul 12 2007, 03:18 PM
- - pbangarth   QUOTE (Critias) QUOTE (mfb @ Jul 12 2007, 01:...   Jul 12 2007, 03:31 PM
- - Critias   QUOTE (pbangarth) Or, as in the case some years ag...   Jul 12 2007, 03:45 PM
- - Big D   The "intent" comes into play because you...   Jul 12 2007, 04:45 PM
- - Tarantula   As to why intent matters. Why do people get an op...   Jul 12 2007, 05:05 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   QUOTE (Naysayer) Hmmm... But shouldn't the sup...   Jul 12 2007, 05:32 PM
- - kzt   QUOTE (Tarantula) As to why intent matters. Why d...   Jul 12 2007, 05:39 PM
- - FrankTrollman   To get a grenade to go off at the right time you w...   Jul 12 2007, 05:43 PM
- - Aaron   Nah. The RAW also mentions that grenades have wire...   Jul 12 2007, 05:59 PM
- - Mr. Unpronounceable   Wireless fuses + hacker/technomancer = no, thanks...   Jul 12 2007, 07:10 PM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable) Wireless fuses + hacke...   Jul 12 2007, 07:16 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Mr. Unpronounceable @ Jul 12 2007, 02:...   Jul 12 2007, 07:17 PM
- - WearzManySkins   Well get together with your hacker. Have him copy ...   Jul 13 2007, 01:15 AM
- - Fortune   Just chuck Skinlinks on the grenades to avoid the ...   Jul 13 2007, 01:21 AM
- - Big D   Yeah, the 1-IP (rather than 3-second) standard fus...   Jul 13 2007, 01:43 AM
- - Critias   QUOTE (Tarantula) As to why intent matters. Why d...   Jul 13 2007, 04:58 AM
- - Tarantula   Not really. If someone is going to be caught in t...   Jul 13 2007, 05:06 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Tarantula)...If you're just shooting gr...   Jul 13 2007, 05:42 PM
- - Dashifen   QUOTE (Tarantula) It works the same with the grena...   Jul 13 2007, 06:51 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Dashifen) Also, how do you resolve the fact...   Jul 13 2007, 06:56 PM
- - kzt   It's more that the rules don't make sense.   Jul 13 2007, 06:56 PM
- - Dashifen   That's more what I was getting at, kzt, though...   Jul 13 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Jul 12 2007, 04:5...   Jul 13 2007, 07:42 PM
- - Dashifen   Unless I've always miss understood a Dodge tes...   Jul 13 2007, 07:51 PM
- - mfb   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)Ah, indeed. Scatter is d...   Jul 13 2007, 07:53 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Dashifen) Unless I've always miss under...   Jul 13 2007, 07:58 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (mfb) QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig)Ah, indeed. ...   Jul 13 2007, 08:02 PM
- - mfb   hey, Edge is everyman magic.   Jul 13 2007, 08:03 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   ..and as Sprites have Edge they are magical, too.   Jul 13 2007, 08:12 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   Sure, but not any more magical than a non-magical ...   Jul 13 2007, 08:14 PM
- - Tarantula   I'd run it as roll to hit, and determine scatt...   Jul 14 2007, 04:54 AM
- - odinson   I like to roll it just as a success test. Hit...   Jul 14 2007, 07:28 AM
- - Tarantula   Isn't that exactly what I said?   Jul 14 2007, 08:27 AM
- - odinson   not really. is that what you meant? the way yours...   Jul 14 2007, 08:30 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Not quite. Power vs Hits. The Scatter-Dodge-Damag...   Jul 14 2007, 08:30 AM
- - Ddays   Yes, I think the scatter dodge damage is the best ...   Jul 14 2007, 08:35 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Actually, in SR4 everybody moves about the same, u...   Jul 14 2007, 08:42 AM
- - Ddays   Trolls move 5 m/s faster, and I guess I must be th...   Jul 14 2007, 08:43 AM
- - odinson   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Actually, in SR4 everyb...   Jul 14 2007, 08:59 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Scatter eats up Hits. If there is enough Scatter t...   Jul 14 2007, 09:12 AM
- - Ophis   I run grenades as a success test, with no way of i...   Jul 14 2007, 10:58 AM
- - Prime Mover   http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk19.htm Wh...   Jul 16 2007, 04:05 PM
- - Dashifen   QUOTE (Ophis) I run grenades as a success test, wi...   Jul 16 2007, 04:08 PM
- - James McMurray   Here's the house rule our GM settled on: QUOT...   Jul 16 2007, 04:15 PM
- - mfb   dodge as soak. seems fair enough.   Jul 16 2007, 04:42 PM
- - Dashifen   So dodging a blast doesn't imply movement away...   Jul 16 2007, 04:47 PM
- - James McMurray   It hasn't come up yet. My assumption is that t...   Jul 16 2007, 04:50 PM


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