 Dragon challenge, Taking down a dragon, SR4 style |
 Jul 18 2007, 12:38 AM
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Time for another dragon hunt :)
This isn't post-by-post roleplaying or gaming, but a fully cooperative exercise to test what is and isn't possible in SR4 dragon killing. Anyone can jump in at any point. Object is to kill a higher-end non-great western dragon. (I'm making one up now.) The dragon's not planning on coming out of its lair: you have to go in after it. I'm creating the dragon, and its lair. (After all, it's no challenge to kill anything you know completely.) Anyone accepting this challenge is making up the team to try to kill it. First task is to make up the team. Average team, give or take, is six individuals. They shouldn't be starting PCs, so let's take the 400 bp build with standard limit gear, and then upgrade as follows: +200 karma +1 M :nuyen: in equipment, maximum availability 20 (pulled that from wired reflexes 3). Note that if you are using the upgrade to upgrade existing 'ware, you have to first purchase the original 'ware and then the replacement as well. Equipment, spells, abilities limited to what's published in the core book and Street Magic only. I'll bind the dragon by the same limitations. After the team is more or less solid, I'll declare it frozen -- and then the tactics and combat begin in earnest. Oh -- one more proviso. I'm not going to require finding the dragon's lair -- that's a true run unto itself, and that means it's beyond the limits of this thread -- but at least one of the PCs should have the abilities to shake out very high-level information, both electronically and socially. Cover that, and I'll assume the lair found -- but the team won't be able to find out what the dragon's got set up in there without actually going. Edit (from p.12): So that luck won't be a factor in the outcome, I'm going to use the 1:3 ratio for hits, always rounding up (ie. if you have only one or two dice in the pool, you'd still get one hit). That will give you utterly predictable results for the numbers part of the challenge. Have at it! |
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Talia Invierno Dragon challenge Jul 18 2007, 12:38 AM
Jaid a team of 6 advanced runners vs a non-great dragon... Jul 18 2007, 12:47 AM Talia Invierno I've been reading the discussion in The art of... Jul 18 2007, 12:59 AM toturi I tried this as a mental exercise as I lay on a ho... Jul 18 2007, 01:03 AM James McMurray QUOTE (Talia Invierno) I've been reading the d... Jul 18 2007, 01:17 AM Jaid the only point you can prove is that a dragon is g... Jul 18 2007, 01:24 AM FrankTrollman Taking out a Dragon in one round really isn't ... Jul 18 2007, 01:34 AM toturi QUOTE (Jaid) the only point you can prove is that ... Jul 18 2007, 01:46 AM Talia Invierno Reiterating, since perhaps it wasn't clear eno... Jul 18 2007, 01:57 AM Jaid but the dragon never actually being fought merely ... Jul 18 2007, 02:03 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (James McMurray @ Jul 18 2007, 01:17 AM... Jul 18 2007, 02:04 AM FrankTrollman QUOTE (Talia Invierno) QUOTE (James McMurray ... Jul 18 2007, 02:19 AM hyzmarca It really depends on what Anchors the dragon has. ... Jul 18 2007, 02:20 AM toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Jul 18 2007, 09:57 AM... Jul 18 2007, 02:29 AM Talia Invierno Everyone here has the book stats, and I'm not ... Jul 18 2007, 04:08 AM toturi Then using Divination, we could ask is the dragon ... Jul 18 2007, 04:22 AM Talia Invierno It's not. You can safely assume that it has s... Jul 18 2007, 04:31 AM Jaid ... and once again, we see that it isn't the *... Jul 18 2007, 04:38 AM toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) It's not. You can safe... Jul 18 2007, 04:44 AM Ravor Question, how big of an explosion can I get by com... Jul 18 2007, 04:46 AM kzt In a lair? So 35K each for the Bulldogs, and 102... Jul 18 2007, 04:48 AM FrankTrollman Indeed, the challenge would be structurally identi... Jul 18 2007, 04:48 AM Talia Invierno So long as that corp guy is using only his own abi... Jul 18 2007, 05:20 AM Ravor Aye, that is my point, you don't have to ... Jul 18 2007, 05:27 AM Talia Invierno If you want to take the explosives route, go ahead... Jul 18 2007, 05:34 AM toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) So long as that corp guy is... Jul 18 2007, 05:44 AM Talia Invierno Partly true.
The challenge is intended to test th... Jul 18 2007, 05:58 AM Crusher Bob Hmm,
Here's my assumptions about the lair:
I ... Jul 18 2007, 06:06 AM Voorhees This is completely off topic, but if someone were ... Jul 18 2007, 06:18 AM Talia Invierno Prep time to the actual battle? 24 hours sounds r... Jul 18 2007, 06:19 AM toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Partly true.
The challenge... Jul 18 2007, 06:20 AM sunnyside You'll have to flesh things out a little bit m... Jul 18 2007, 06:20 AM Voorhees QUOTE (Talia Invierno) Prep time to the actual bat... Jul 18 2007, 06:24 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Voorhees)This is completely off topic, but ... Jul 18 2007, 06:28 AM toturi Dragons should be initiates but the problem is wha... Jul 18 2007, 06:31 AM Voorhees Its not that people are saying its the only accept... Jul 18 2007, 06:31 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Voorhees) Its not that people are saying it... Jul 18 2007, 06:38 AM sunnyside I think the issue is the massive importance of ta... Jul 18 2007, 06:48 AM Crusher Bob QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Jul 18 2007, 02:38 PM... Jul 18 2007, 06:56 AM knasser I'm going with the previous statement that the... Jul 18 2007, 06:58 AM Talia Invierno How ironic. I was just digging up your quote from... Jul 18 2007, 07:04 AM knasser QUOTE (Talia Invierno) How ironic. I was just dig... Jul 18 2007, 07:12 AM Talia Invierno Okay, back-replies, because I missed about five or... Jul 18 2007, 07:12 AM Crusher Bob Here's (pdf file) something interesting to thr... Jul 18 2007, 07:18 AM Magus Who says a dragon cannot use Trodes now in SR4 or ... Jul 18 2007, 07:20 AM sunnyside Also stuff like this would probably lead to a seri... Jul 18 2007, 07:26 AM Talia Invierno QUOTE (Magus)Who says a dragon cannot use Trodes n... Jul 18 2007, 07:32 AM Magus But Big D's will and such was mostly closed pe... Jul 18 2007, 07:37 AM Crusher Bob I'd help to have a bit more concrete info abou... Jul 18 2007, 07:40 AM Critias It seems to me like the easiest way to go about th... Jul 18 2007, 07:48 AM Talia Invierno @ Magus
Call it a temp-ruling based on what has b... Jul 18 2007, 07:51 AM Crusher Bob Alas, such structures (bomb resistance bunkers) ar... Jul 18 2007, 08:00 AM Talia Invierno The blast doors are traceable -- albeit messily, t... Jul 18 2007, 08:05 AM Crusher Bob Time to see if there is someone in 2070 that offer... Jul 18 2007, 08:47 AM Vaevictis Surely the lair has some ventilation shafts. Have... Jul 18 2007, 09:22 AM Crusher Bob High gain thermographic observation from the air s... Jul 18 2007, 09:31 AM ShadowDragon8685 What is a fortress?
A tomb when confronted with a... Jul 18 2007, 09:46 AM Vaevictis QUOTE (Crusher Bob) High gain thermographic observ... Jul 18 2007, 10:09 AM Crusher Bob It should be possible to completely seal the bunke... Jul 18 2007, 10:15 AM Vaevictis Is there actually a spell in SR4 that can do that? Jul 18 2007, 10:22 AM Crusher Bob If they reprinted oxygenate, it can do it for sing... Jul 18 2007, 10:24 AM Vaevictis QUOTE (Crusher Bob) If they reprinted oxygenate, i... Jul 18 2007, 10:25 AM Buster QUOTE (Vaevictis) Is there actually a spell in SR4... Jul 18 2007, 11:31 AM Crusher Bob Hmm, how's this for a revised lair design. It... Jul 18 2007, 11:37 AM Buster Regarding using missiles and Earthquake powers: I... Jul 18 2007, 11:44 AM Crusher Bob QUOTE (Buster) Regarding using missiles and Earthq... Jul 18 2007, 11:53 AM Buster As I said:
QUOTE Unless you can get a bunker bust... Jul 18 2007, 12:07 PM hyzmarca The same way SAIM did. It isn't spectacularly ... Jul 18 2007, 12:38 PM toturi QUOTE (Buster) Divining metamagic should be your b... Jul 18 2007, 01:02 PM Talia Invierno Would you allow an NPC to ask the same question of... Jul 18 2007, 01:33 PM redne QUOTE (hyzmarca)The same way SAIM did. It isn... Jul 18 2007, 01:48 PM Buster Yeah, that one made me laugh loud enough to annoy ... Jul 18 2007, 02:01 PM Buster This reminds me of a great Onion article:
Report:... Jul 18 2007, 02:03 PM toturi QUOTE (Talia Invierno @ Jul 18 2007, 09:33 PM... Jul 18 2007, 02:06 PM redne QUOTE (Buster)Divining metamagic should be your be... Jul 18 2007, 02:16 PM Buster QUOTE (redne @ Jul 18 2007, 09:16 AM) Have yo... Jul 18 2007, 02:44 PM James McMurray QUOTE (Magus) But Big D's will and such was mo... Jul 18 2007, 03:01 PM sunnyside Again divinging is for events, and it is always cr... Jul 18 2007, 03:12 PM Talia Invierno Let's see:
@ Crusher Bob:
QUOTE Time to see i... Jul 18 2007, 04:39 PM kzt QUOTE (Crusher Bob) Alas, such structures (bomb re... Jul 18 2007, 04:42 PM James McMurray QUOTE The one piece of canon is the cautionary tal... Jul 18 2007, 04:49 PM kzt QUOTE (Crusher Bob) It is esentialy impossible to ... Jul 18 2007, 04:53 PM Talia Invierno QUOTE (James McMurray)QUOTE The one piece of canon... Jul 18 2007, 05:22 PM James McMurray Rationalize it however you feel most comfortable. ... Jul 18 2007, 05:32 PM Talia Invierno Sigh. From p.108:
QUOTE No Rating - Unaware
A com... Jul 18 2007, 05:55 PM James McMurray Dragons are not unaware, they simply have no ranks... Jul 18 2007, 06:02 PM mfb not that i think dragons should all be complete no... Jul 18 2007, 06:07 PM FrankTrollman The critter list doesn't have qualities on it,... Jul 18 2007, 06:09 PM sunnyside I think what Talia is saying is that we've got... Jul 18 2007, 06:24 PM Talia Invierno Absolutely last one for a while:
"Generally... Jul 18 2007, 06:27 PM James McMurray QUOTE (Talia Invierno) If the authors meant that E... Jul 18 2007, 07:34 PM mfb dragons are not listed as having 0 electronics ski... Jul 18 2007, 07:40 PM James McMurray Just for the record, I'm not disagreeing that ... Jul 18 2007, 07:44 PM Tarantula Mage with the shape (earth/concrete/etc) spell. A... Jul 18 2007, 07:51 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Buster @ Jul 18 2007, 09:01 AM) Yeah, ... Jul 18 2007, 07:55 PM Tarantula QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Buster @ Jul 18 2007,... Jul 18 2007, 08:01 PM Prae QUOTE (James McMurray)
You don't even need tro... Jul 18 2007, 08:19 PM Buster QUOTE (hyzmarca) QUOTE (Buster @ Jul 18 2007,... Jul 18 2007, 08:25 PM Buster QUOTE (Prae @ Jul 18 2007, 03:19 PM) My two c... Jul 18 2007, 08:27 PM
Talia Invierno Welcome, Prae! Very nice catch.
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