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Lilt
post Jul 27 2007, 10:48 PM
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I recently re-read the endowment power that some great-forms get, and did a search on endowment-related topics. About 10 minutes later I returned to dumpshock and did a thread search for endowment-related posts. (bad joke, sorry :eek:)

So... I went through the powers list and tried to think up ways to use each of the powers that Guardian and Task spirits (the ones that get endowment) can get. I'm assuming that Endowing Ally spirits are impossible, and that you can't endow a skill even if it's granted as an optional power. Expect items marked with a * to be banned faster than a ban fired from a rubber band by a member of a thrash metal band.
  • Astral Form: Who needs the guidance spirit's astral gateway power when you have this? *
  • Animal Control: Depends on the animal. Probably not worth it.
  • Binding: Can't think of any good uses.
  • Concealment: Can already be used on a number of targets
  • Dual Natured: A materialised creature becomes dual natured... This one is perhaps more likely to work than astral form, but still deserves a *.
  • Elemental Attack: The characters are unlikely to have the necessary Exotic Ranged Weapon skill
  • Endowment: Yeah, it's stupid and broken. Summon a great-form Guardian and a great-form plant spirit then get the great-form plant spirit to grant regeneration (!) to the entire team.

    Another idea is to give endowment to an inhabiting ally and get it to give inhabitation to other spirits, or simply give the Aura Masking power a flesh-form gets away like tasty candy. Inhabitation is notably superior to possession in a number of ways. It lets the spirit use VR, for one. *
  • Enhanced Senses: An interesting option
  • Fear: Only really useful if you're praying for an opponent to glitch.
  • Guard: Generally Meh... Can already be used on a number of targets and was never a tier-1 power.
  • Immunity to Normal Weapons: A materialised/possessing spirit gains this power... Muchos Armour for the whole team. I thnk this one might be worth a *, but I can see some DMs allow it, particularly given how low-force great-form spirits generally are.
  • Influence: They're bound to botch eventually, otherwise this isn't really noteworthy.
  • Magical Guard: That's a whole lot of guard going on there!
  • Materialization: If granted to an astral mage, this could allow for some interesting options. * I think a less broken option would be to have a great-form materialisation spirit grant materialisation to a possession-tradition spirits, maybe even watchers?
  • Movement: Nothing much to see here. It lets a lot of people move fast.
  • Natural Weaponry: A bit poor, only becomes good if you have a really high force spirit doing it.
  • Possession: Much silliness when given to a projecting mage. * As with materialisation, granting possession to materialisation spirits is still nice, but not as broken.
  • Psychokinesis: Kinda useful if you have the party hidden under invisibility and behind cover. They can start picking up unused objects and battering opponents with them, maybe even drawing guns from downed individuals?
  • Sapience: Might not mean too much given the limited mental attributes of some animals, but could make for fun RP and 'cute' scenes where animals work together to thwart their corporate oppressors.
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- Lilt   Endowment Ideas   Jul 27 2007, 10:48 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Lilt) Astral Form: Who needs the guidance s...   Jul 27 2007, 10:53 PM
- - Ancient History   Things get even more interesting with free spirits...   Jul 27 2007, 11:00 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (Lilt @ Jul ...   Jul 27 2007, 11:08 PM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (Lilt) Endowment: Yeah, it's stupid and ...   Jul 27 2007, 11:13 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 28 2007, 01:08 AM)...   Jul 27 2007, 11:58 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Actually, the Posession...   Jul 28 2007, 12:10 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 28 2007, 02:10 AM)...   Jul 28 2007, 12:17 AM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (Vaevictis)QUOTE (Lilt @ Jul 27 2007, 0...   Jul 28 2007, 12:35 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (lilt)... As much as I see Frank's versi...   Jul 28 2007, 02:16 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Well, to be fair, Astral Form is essentially just ...   Jul 28 2007, 02:25 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 27 2007, 09:16 PM)...   Jul 28 2007, 03:06 AM
- - hyzmarca   Yes, I'm pretty sure that we can all agree tha...   Jul 28 2007, 03:17 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   Related Question: Am I reading Endowment right? ...   Jul 28 2007, 03:20 AM
- - Buster   QUOTE (hyzmarca) Yes, I'm pretty sure that we ...   Jul 28 2007, 03:28 AM
- - Ancient History   If you like a touch of nastiness in your games, yo...   Jul 28 2007, 03:34 AM
- - Aaron   QUOTE (Vaevictis) "A critter with the Astral ...   Jul 28 2007, 03:50 AM
- - Tarantula   The fact that it says "only". Means, yo...   Jul 28 2007, 04:05 AM
- - hyzmarca   It is really fun to create an endowment chain, com...   Jul 28 2007, 04:22 AM
- - Tarantula   Justification for the "dead" solution is...   Jul 28 2007, 04:34 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Tarantula) Justification for the "dead...   Jul 28 2007, 04:48 AM
- - Sterling   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 27 2007, 09:48 PM)...   Jul 28 2007, 05:09 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (FrankTrollman)And seriously, while Astral F...   Jul 28 2007, 05:19 AM
- - Tarantula   Frank, its very easy to read it that astral form i...   Jul 28 2007, 05:27 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Tarantula) As far as your logic goes, if it...   Jul 28 2007, 05:39 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 28 2007, 12:39 AM)...   Jul 28 2007, 05:52 AM
- - Tarantula   You're arguing by utilizing logic, which is pr...   Jul 28 2007, 06:34 AM
- - hyzmarca   The problem is that, when the rules and the fluff ...   Jul 28 2007, 06:49 AM
- - Vaevictis   The problem is that you can't assume that any ...   Jul 28 2007, 06:52 AM
- - hyzmarca   Of course you can't assume that any given read...   Jul 28 2007, 06:59 AM
- - Tarantula   Considering that the only stuff that is canon is S...   Jul 28 2007, 07:04 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jul 28 2007, 01:59 AM) Howe...   Jul 28 2007, 07:47 AM
- - hyzmarca   Making that interpretation is about as reasonable ...   Jul 28 2007, 07:55 AM
- - Ravor   Seconded, especially with the possible influx from...   Jul 28 2007, 08:00 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jul 28 2007, 02:55 AM) This...   Jul 28 2007, 08:01 AM
- - Ravor   No, it's either learn the two decades worth of...   Jul 28 2007, 08:10 AM
- - Tarantula   Let me remind you that for a standard of discussio...   Jul 28 2007, 08:24 AM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (Ravor)... or be humble enough to understand...   Jul 28 2007, 08:26 AM
- - Vaevictis   To give an example of why I think this argument is...   Jul 28 2007, 08:34 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   I think a couple of you are confusing some concept...   Jul 28 2007, 08:55 AM
- - Vaevictis   Somebody really ought to teach these game develope...   Jul 28 2007, 09:11 AM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (hyzmarca)Making that interpretation is abou...   Jul 28 2007, 10:52 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (Tarantula)The rulebooks says it makes you e...   Jul 28 2007, 04:01 PM
- - Shinobi Killfist   QUOTE (Vaevictis) QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul ...   Jul 28 2007, 04:43 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (FrankTrollman)The rulebook says that you ex...   Jul 28 2007, 05:14 PM
- - hyzmarca   QUOTE (Vaevictis) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jul 28 20...   Jul 28 2007, 05:32 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Oh, that's good. Because canon has cases where...   Jul 28 2007, 05:41 PM
- - Ancient History   Endowing Desire Reflection is a great way for shad...   Jul 28 2007, 05:46 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   ..makes one kind of thankful that the Glamour Powe...   Jul 28 2007, 05:50 PM
- - Tarantula   Frank, please show me where priorities are defined...   Jul 29 2007, 07:07 AM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE Frank, please show me where priorities are ...   Jul 29 2007, 07:46 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Ancient History) Endowing Desire Reflection...   Jul 29 2007, 08:18 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Jul 29 2007, 09:46 AM)...   Jul 29 2007, 11:38 AM
- - hyzmarca   The problem is that Astral Form is not a power. It...   Jul 29 2007, 03:04 PM
- - Cthulhudreams   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (FrankTrollman ...   Jul 30 2007, 02:11 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Jul 29 2007, 09:04 AM) The ...   Jul 30 2007, 02:19 AM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Cthulhudreams) It's only defined if you...   Jul 30 2007, 10:04 AM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   No, the description for Materialization provides n...   Jul 30 2007, 04:31 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Jul 30 2007, 06:3...   Jul 30 2007, 04:51 PM
- - Doctor Funkenstein   QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) Materialization is an e...   Jul 30 2007, 05:06 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein)You should read the desc...   Jul 30 2007, 05:42 PM
- - hyzmarca   Semantics aside, there is one very compelling reas...   Jul 30 2007, 06:08 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   What happened to good old burning at the stake?   Jul 30 2007, 06:12 PM
- - hyzmarca   Stake burning lacks plausible deniability. Besides...   Jul 30 2007, 06:25 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   Nah. It's perfectly plausibe that someone buil...   Jul 30 2007, 06:49 PM
- - Cellshade   I think another interpretation here is that being ...   Jul 30 2007, 07:26 PM
- - GWCarver   Seriously, one of you wrote the rule and the rest ...   Jul 30 2007, 07:50 PM
- - Rotbart van Dainig   QUOTE (GWCarver)Seriously, one of you wrote the ru...   Jul 30 2007, 07:58 PM
- - FrankTrollman   QUOTE (GWCarver) Seriously, one of you wrote the r...   Jul 30 2007, 09:18 PM
- - Lilt   QUOTE (GWCarver) It has also been expressly stated...   Jul 30 2007, 09:18 PM
- - eidolon   QUOTE (Lilt)Also, I'd like to add another requ...   Jul 30 2007, 09:41 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Lilt) Also, I'd like to add another req...   Jul 30 2007, 10:28 PM
- - Vaevictis   QUOTE (GWCarver) Seriously, one of you wrote the r...   Jul 31 2007, 03:15 AM
- - darthmord   The way I see it is like so... Spirits are astral...   Aug 1 2007, 04:13 PM
- - laughingowl   QUOTE Astral Form Type: M - Action: Auto - Range: ...   Aug 1 2007, 10:59 PM
- - Fortune   I think a good rule of thumb would be to use the r...   Aug 2 2007, 04:16 AM


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