 two weapons and recoil, recoil per shot, or per weapon? |
 Aug 1 2007, 09:41 PM
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i didn't find any answer to this question during a quick search. hoping for some clarification.
in other words, you don't rack up recoil modifiers for firing a second shot--you rack up recoil modifiers for firing a second shot with the same weapon. so when firing two semi-auto weapons twice in the same round, the recoil modifiers look like this: 1st shot, 1st weapon: no recoil (since this is the first shot fired with weapon 1) 1st shot, 2nd weapon: no recoil (since this is the first shot fired with weapon 2) 2nd shot, 1st weapon: -1 recoil from weapon 1, no recoil from weapon 2 (since it's only been fired once, it hasn't racked up a recoil penalty yet) 2nd shot, 2nd weapon: -1 recoil from weapon 1, -1 recoil from weapon 2. i suppose an argument could be made that the second shots happen simultaneously, ergo the recoil from each would apply to both. that's somewhat counterintuitive, though--if you haven't rolled for the second shot, it's odd that recoil from that second shot would apply to anything yet. am i misreading the rules? have they been errata'd? |
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mfb two weapons and recoil Aug 1 2007, 09:41 PM
Eleazar I think the same way you do mfb, though I have bee... Aug 1 2007, 10:09 PM mfb sensible or not, it's certainly what the rules... Aug 1 2007, 10:50 PM neko128 As per the paragraph spanning pages 141 and 142:
... Aug 2 2007, 01:35 AM Doctor Funkenstein Yes, it does seem to work as you described. It... Aug 2 2007, 02:03 AM Sterling So it would really be:
Right hand: Shot one is fi... Aug 2 2007, 02:18 AM Doctor Funkenstein Err, I misread the original post slightly. My rea... Aug 2 2007, 02:20 AM l33tpenguin What sort of recoil compensation is available for ... Aug 2 2007, 02:41 AM Jaid QUOTE (l33tpenguin) What sort of recoil compensati... Aug 2 2007, 02:52 AM l33tpenguin I'd bring up the whole "But in the real w... Aug 2 2007, 03:05 AM Sterling I can see your point there, Doctor, I think the FA... Aug 2 2007, 03:16 AM toturi QUOTE (Sterling) I can see your point there, Docto... Aug 2 2007, 03:44 AM Fortune QUOTE (Sterling) Actually, it only would take a re... Aug 2 2007, 03:53 AM l33tpenguin it depends on how you read the rules.
if the firs... Aug 2 2007, 04:22 AM Fortune QUOTE (l33tpenguin) if only the first shot from th... Aug 2 2007, 06:50 AM Sterling QUOTE (l33tpenguin)
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After thinking it over... Aug 2 2007, 07:40 AM Fortune QUOTE (Sterling) My take on it after reading the F... Aug 2 2007, 08:04 AM Doctor Funkenstein It's assumed the weapons are being fired simul... Aug 2 2007, 09:20 AM Fortune QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) It's assumed the we... Aug 2 2007, 11:34 AM Dashifen QUOTE (Jaid) QUOTE (l33tpenguin @ Aug 1 2007,... Aug 2 2007, 01:36 PM Dizzman Hopefully the cheesiness that is custom grip will ... Aug 3 2007, 05:33 AM Sterling QUOTE (Fortune)QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Au... Aug 3 2007, 08:22 AM Fortune The key word in the rules, as I see it, is 'un... Aug 3 2007, 08:38 AM l33tpenguin QUOTE (Sterling) I just don't see how if you f... Aug 3 2007, 09:04 AM Stinger I've been following this thread with interest ... Aug 10 2007, 05:12 AM Cthulhudreams Does anything preclude you from splitting the pool... Aug 10 2007, 05:23 AM Fortune The Pool is split before any modifiers are added (... Aug 10 2007, 06:10 AM Stinger QUOTE (Fortune) The Pool is split before any modif... Aug 10 2007, 06:33 AM Cthulhudreams QUOTE (Fortune @ Aug 10 2007, 01:10 AM) The P... Aug 10 2007, 06:35 AM Fortune QUOTE (Stinger) ... +1 for the reflex recorder ...... Aug 10 2007, 07:00 AM Fortune QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 10 2007, 04:35 PM)... Aug 10 2007, 07:01 AM l33tpenguin QUOTE (Fortune) QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ Aug 10... Aug 10 2007, 07:14 AM Critias QUOTE (l33tpenguin) QUOTE (Fortune @ Aug 10 2... Aug 10 2007, 07:17 AM Cthulhudreams Damn, I knew you couldn't use two smart links,... Aug 10 2007, 02:49 PM Moon-Hawk Just to weigh in: I rule that the four shots bein... Aug 10 2007, 03:01 PM Critias Keep in mind, there's no rule against using tw... Aug 10 2007, 04:13 PM Kyoto Kid ...that's the way KK uses her Warhawks which a... Aug 10 2007, 04:44 PM Stinger QUOTE (Fortune @ Aug 10 2007, 02:00 AM) QUOTE... Aug 10 2007, 05:28 PM Unarmed I think that if we get into the realm (probably a ... Aug 10 2007, 05:36 PM Unarmed I forgot to say how things would go if we assume t... Aug 10 2007, 05:47 PM Mr. Unpronounceable QUOTE (Stinger) So, yeah, gets more lead in the ai... Aug 10 2007, 06:46 PM hyzmarca Imagine, if you will, you are standing on a sandy ... Aug 10 2007, 08:03 PM Fortune QUOTE (Stinger) Lemme try again then.
Firearms 6 ... Aug 10 2007, 10:55 PM l33tpenguin Besides specializations, what else is added after ... Aug 10 2007, 11:33 PM Stinger QUOTE (Fortune @ Aug 10 2007, 05:55 PM) QUOTE... Aug 10 2007, 11:38 PM streetangelj I think laser sights should still work as long as ... Aug 10 2007, 11:44 PM DireRadiant p. 75
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character has a specialization... Aug 10 2007, 11:47 PM Fortune QUOTE (l33tpenguin) Besides specializations, what ... Aug 11 2007, 12:14 AM Fortune QUOTE (Stinger @ Aug 11 2007, 09:38 AM) And w... Aug 11 2007, 12:19 AM l33tpenguin I see said the blind man! thanks! Aug 11 2007, 12:28 AM Doctor Funkenstein I really don't see skill Specializations as a ... Aug 11 2007, 12:43 AM mfb couldn't you have a Pistols reflex recorder, a... Aug 11 2007, 12:52 AM l33tpenguin Wouldn't you be using two different pools anyw... Aug 11 2007, 12:59 AM mfb well, you use the lowest pool, if you've got t... Aug 11 2007, 01:03 AM Doctor Funkenstein I'd say it would depend on which of the skills... Aug 11 2007, 01:07 AM l33tpenguin If specializations are added after the split, howe... Aug 11 2007, 01:11 AM Doctor Funkenstein You're assuming specializations are added afte... Aug 11 2007, 01:13 AM mfb indeed. i don't see that specializations shoul... Aug 11 2007, 01:28 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) You're assuming spe... Aug 11 2007, 01:42 AM Doctor Funkenstein Reflex Recorders: "The reflex recorders adds ... Aug 11 2007, 01:48 AM hyzmarca Improved Ability and Reflex Recorders were both er... Aug 11 2007, 01:52 AM l33tpenguin QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Translation: Quit bein... Aug 11 2007, 01:58 AM Doctor Funkenstein It was essentially +1/-1 with a specialization; th... Aug 11 2007, 02:02 AM Fortune Doc ... as hyzmarca said, check the Errata. The th... Aug 11 2007, 04:23 AM mfb it doesn't make much sense, though. using a re... Aug 11 2007, 05:49 AM hyzmarca Exactly.
If specializations work as suggested by... Aug 11 2007, 05:55 AM Stinger OK, here's my last stab at getting this right.... Aug 11 2007, 06:16 AM mfb that's nonsensical, man. familiarity is skill.... Aug 11 2007, 06:19 AM hyzmarca QUOTE (mfb @ Aug 11 2007, 01:19 AM)that's... Aug 11 2007, 06:38 AM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (hyzmarca) Exactly.
If specializations wor... Aug 11 2007, 06:53 AM hyzmarca Just read the book. Just read the book, please.
... Aug 11 2007, 07:11 AM l33tpenguin QUOTE (hyzmarca) Just read the book. Just read the... Aug 11 2007, 08:11 AM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (hyzmarca)Just read the book. Just read the... Aug 11 2007, 12:07 PM Ophis I must admit, i dislike the specialization not bei... Aug 11 2007, 04:21 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein @ Aug 11 2007, 07:0... Aug 11 2007, 04:22 PM Stinger Errm, so, did I get it right? Aug 11 2007, 06:47 PM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (hyzmarca) And it is not, in any way, cheese... Aug 11 2007, 06:58 PM Fortune Cheese or not, those are the rules. And I don... Aug 11 2007, 07:17 PM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) Pointing out loopholes ... Aug 11 2007, 07:26 PM Fortune I don't really consider this is a loophole. It... Aug 11 2007, 07:38 PM Catharz Godfoot I'm a lot more interested in how TWFing works ... Aug 11 2007, 07:41 PM Doctor Funkenstein <just shrugs> Enjoy the stupidity then. Aug 11 2007, 07:45 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE (Doctor Funkenste... Aug 11 2007, 07:46 PM Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Aug 11 2007, 01:4... Aug 11 2007, 07:54 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) That the obscure rules ... Aug 11 2007, 07:57 PM Critias I'm sure that any minute now one or the other ... Aug 11 2007, 08:00 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Critias) I'm sure that any minute now o... Aug 11 2007, 08:05 PM hyzmarca Looking at it the other way, using two weapons mag... Aug 11 2007, 08:10 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca) Looking at it the other way, usin... Aug 11 2007, 08:12 PM hyzmarca QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (hyzmarca) Lookin... Aug 11 2007, 08:32 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 11 2007, 10:32 PM) QUOT... Aug 11 2007, 08:36 PM Fortune QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Aug 12 2007, 06:3... Aug 11 2007, 08:41 PM Rotbart van Dainig That's undefined, as it's not a modifier. ... Aug 11 2007, 08:43 PM Fortune QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Aug 12 2007, 06:4... Aug 11 2007, 08:50 PM Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Fortune @ Aug 11 2007, 10:50 PM) QUOTE... Aug 11 2007, 08:53 PM Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Stinger) OK, here's my last stab at get... Aug 13 2007, 03:36 PM Eryk the Red Actually, I think that adding specialisation dice ... Aug 13 2007, 04:04 PM Sterling QUOTE (Fortune)QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Au... Aug 14 2007, 07:03 AM Doctor Funkenstein Once again: The rules for specializations were cl... Aug 14 2007, 08:01 AM
Fortune While I understand your point, I think it is a lit... Aug 14 2007, 08:30 AM  |
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