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OK, as we know the Movement power allows a critter to increase or decrease a target's apparent speed by a multiple (or divisor) of the critter's Magic attribute. Once the power has been turned on, visual contact need not be maintained (which is great news fort the rest of the thought experiments). While it is maintained the additional speed does not cause untoward effects to the target other than getting to its destination sooner or later - a person's limbs don't get torn off from th sudden rush of speed, a car doesn't burn through fuel at some horrendous rate, and a bullet does not hit its target any harder (just sooner).
And that's great for velocities much greater than zero and much smaller than the speed of light. But let's consider the fact that physics is constrained by a minimum speed and a maximum speed. Magic is, as far as I know not so constrained. Nevertheless, I am forced to ask what precisely happens when you make such an attempt? Let's say that you have something that's moving extraordinarily fast. Say, half the speed of light. Now, with a mere Force 3 Earth Spirit you can use Movement to about 50% more than the speed of light. Or can you? At the speeds that Shadowrun normally is played at, special relativity isn't called for at all. Instead, we consider velocities to simply add like they do in a classical Newtonian world. But at very high speeds, that's an invalid assumption (at least for non-magical movement). The particle accelerated to three times its velocity would have a speed well less than the speed of light. So that brings us to the question:
Of course we likewise have problems at the low end as well. If an object is already as close to absolute zero as it is possible to be, can you use Movement to make its effective speed even less? What happens when those precious Planck Times click by and the object hasn't gotten to the next interval of Planck Space? -Frank |
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FrankTrollman The Limits of Movement Aug 14 2007, 02:50 AM
Thomas QUOTE (FrankTrollman)
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Of course we likewise ... Aug 14 2007, 03:00 AM
odinson It's magic. It breaks the laws of physics. You... Aug 14 2007, 03:42 AM
mfb well, you kinda do have to worry about it when it ... Aug 14 2007, 04:16 AM
Solomon Greene Somewhere, there's a term paper for MMIT&T... Aug 14 2007, 04:27 AM
hyzmarca I believe that this question can only be solved by... Aug 14 2007, 04:58 AM
Draconis uh.......cheeseburger? Aug 14 2007, 05:48 AM
odinson QUOTE (Draconis) uh.......cheeseburger?
In hal... Aug 14 2007, 06:22 AM
virgileso From what I'm aware, the slowing down aspect o... Aug 14 2007, 06:45 AM
Rotbart van Dainig Only to an observer external to the system.
Planc... Aug 14 2007, 06:49 AM
Red Shadowrun, if you draw from the Earthdawn universe... Aug 14 2007, 11:30 AM
Blade In France, we've got an acronym for such cases... Aug 14 2007, 12:13 PM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (Blade @ Aug 14 2007, 06:13 AM) In Fran... Aug 14 2007, 01:44 PM
Wakshaani Don't forget that lightspeed isn't an abso... Aug 14 2007, 02:12 PM
DireRadiant Mass X Velocity we learned in 1st or second grade,... Aug 14 2007, 02:14 PM
Aaron It's easy enough. Just stop thinking of the ad... Aug 14 2007, 02:51 PM
Aaron QUOTE (Solomon Greene)Somewhere, there's a ter... Aug 14 2007, 03:06 PM
PlatonicPimp Except that by observation of the movement power, ... Aug 14 2007, 03:59 PM
hyzmarca This, of course, brings up the complete and total ... Aug 14 2007, 04:21 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (PlatonicPimp) Except that by observation of... Aug 14 2007, 04:28 PM
Big D I. Love. This. Thread. Aug 14 2007, 05:07 PM
mfb QUOTE (Doctor Funkenstein) QUOTE (Blade @ Aug... Aug 14 2007, 05:12 PM
Aaron QUOTE (PlatonicPimp) Except that by observation of... Aug 14 2007, 05:32 PM
neko128 QUOTE (Blade) I mean, magic can make food appear: ... Aug 14 2007, 05:49 PM
eidolon You won't see me doing it. That's as plau... Aug 14 2007, 06:03 PM
Moon-Hawk Very cool thread.
1) I want to agree with Frank re... Aug 14 2007, 06:15 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (neko128) Some physicists are proponents of ... Aug 14 2007, 06:20 PM
hyzmarca I'm going to tear your arguement appart and I ... Aug 14 2007, 06:21 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (hyzmarca) I'm going to tear your arguem... Aug 14 2007, 06:32 PM
Slash_Thompson QUOTE (Wakshaani)Plus, we found Tachyons, which go... Aug 14 2007, 06:43 PM
Doctor Funkenstein QUOTE (mfb) dude. read the fucking thread.
Sor... Aug 14 2007, 06:44 PM
KarmaInferno QUOTE (neko128)So when magic "creates" t... Aug 14 2007, 06:46 PM
Adarael QUOTE A simple example: Assume that there are an i... Aug 14 2007, 06:50 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Aug 14 20... Aug 14 2007, 06:54 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Adarael) Just because there are an infinite... Aug 14 2007, 06:59 PM
neko128 QUOTE (KarmaInferno) QUOTE (neko128)So when magic ... Aug 14 2007, 07:01 PM
neko128 QUOTE (Moon-Hawk) QUOTE (Adarael @ Aug 14 200... Aug 14 2007, 07:06 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)Regarding Plank length. Isn... Aug 14 2007, 07:06 PM
PlatonicPimp Right, see, in an infinite number of universes, ev... Aug 14 2007, 07:07 PM
Adarael QUOTE Look, there are different levels of infinity... Aug 14 2007, 07:16 PM
Big D With magic, you can make the coin land on edge. E... Aug 14 2007, 07:20 PM
Kyoto Kid ...now where did I put that Infinite Improbability... Aug 14 2007, 08:12 PM
virgileso For the people advocating rounding off when you tr... Aug 14 2007, 08:28 PM
hyzmarca I think that we're missing something in the ju... Aug 14 2007, 08:34 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Adarael) QUOTE Look, there are different le... Aug 14 2007, 08:36 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (hyzmarca) I think that we're missing so... Aug 14 2007, 08:39 PM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (PlatonicPimp) Right, see, in an infinite nu... Aug 14 2007, 08:43 PM
DireRadiant The infinite argument shall never end....
I don... Aug 14 2007, 08:47 PM
Big D Spirits get very handwavy. Are they sentient? I ... Aug 14 2007, 08:47 PM
Kyoto Kid QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)One side says I'm placing unn... Aug 14 2007, 08:51 PM
Moon-Hawk QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) ...then again, even a finite num... Aug 14 2007, 08:54 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Kyoto Kid) QUOTE (Moon-Hawk)One side says I... Aug 14 2007, 09:01 PM
Kyoto Kid ...whew! Thanks for the clarification. Though... Aug 14 2007, 09:22 PM
Adarael QUOTE That something is that the universe is not r... Aug 14 2007, 09:23 PM
Fortune My head hurts! Aug 14 2007, 09:38 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca)Even quantum uncertainty does not ... Aug 14 2007, 09:48 PM
Adarael On a more mundane note, I would personally rule th... Aug 14 2007, 10:06 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig) QUOTE (hyzmarca)Even qu... Aug 14 2007, 11:03 PM
Rotbart van Dainig It is described by deterministic theories... that ... Aug 14 2007, 11:20 PM
Big D QUOTE I wouldn't let magic let your transmit ... Aug 15 2007, 03:57 AM
Adarael I have yet to see any evidence that spirit shortcu... Aug 15 2007, 06:12 AM
mfb why in the world would the speed of light apply to... Aug 15 2007, 07:06 AM
Adarael It's not the astral plane that concerns me, it... Aug 15 2007, 07:21 AM
Big D Telepathy is instantaneous. There's no delay ... Aug 15 2007, 07:54 AM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (Big D) Oh, and don't forget that here a... Aug 15 2007, 08:07 AM
virgileso Actually, quantum entanglement can't transmit ... Aug 15 2007, 09:54 AM
FrankTrollman QUOTE (virgileso) Actually, quantum entanglement c... Aug 15 2007, 02:03 PM
virgileso The problem with that is that you can't tell i... Aug 15 2007, 02:35 PM
Adarael Not to extend the discussion into physics, but Vir... Aug 15 2007, 05:43 PM
hyzmarca QUOTE (Rotbart van Dainig @ Aug 14 2007, 06:2... Aug 15 2007, 09:28 PM
Rotbart van Dainig QUOTE (hyzmarca) If errors did accumulate, then th... Aug 15 2007, 11:42 PM
mfb QUOTE (Adareal)It's not the astral plane that ... Aug 16 2007, 01:34 AM![]() ![]() |
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