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Gelare
post Aug 26 2007, 08:45 PM
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So here's the thing. You have this node with let's say, for sake of argument, all 4's. It's got all sorts of valuable paydata on it, so of course you want to protect it. So you buy an IC program, as well as attack, armor, analyze, trace, all that good stuff, all at rating 4. You want this IC to start defending, so you boot up the IC program, boot up armor and analyze. This is three programs running, all good. A system with all 4's should be a bit challenging, but nothing a good hacker can't handle, right?

You're paranoid, so you set the IC, an agent, to automatically run analyze every so often to scan for intruders. How often can it do this? As an agent, it gets three IP's in the matrix, so presumably it can run analyze every IP. Since hackers oppose with hacking+stealth, it seems like no hacker would be able to go undetected for longer than a combat turn or two.

Now comes the really iffy part. You have this IC running, along with analyze and attack. You want to have a lot of security in case someone breaks in though, so you hit ctrl+c and ctrl+v and poof! New IC program! So now you have two security agents! Let's further say you don't mind about reducing the response a bit, so poof, poof, poof, now you have five agents, two other programs, making the node's response 3, but who cares! You have five agents running, with analyze actions happening once every 0.2 seconds on average. And when something does get detected, heavens help it, it's gonna get slammed with attack actions out the wazoo. Obviously, if the node has even better hardware, it gets straight up ridiculous.

My biggest question is, if people have IC, why don't they just always run as many copies of it as they can without reducing response? When one gets crashed, or if a program gets crashed, why doesn't the node immediately restart the program as a complex action? Why doesn't a corporation get their resident software guy to code one rating 6 IC and then copy it a bajillion times for all the security needs?

Thanks for the help, all.

~Gelare
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- Gelare   IC Armies   Aug 26 2007, 08:45 PM
- - hobgoblin   also known as the "agent smith" problem....   Aug 26 2007, 09:12 PM
- - Tarantula   Even better, you can run the IC on seperate hardwa...   Aug 26 2007, 09:48 PM
- - DTFarstar   I also do another Analyze whenever they do somethi...   Aug 27 2007, 04:07 AM
- - Buster   Here's some ideas I had for limiting an agent ...   Aug 27 2007, 07:01 PM
- - odinson   QUOTE (Buster) Regarding an army of attackers, I w...   Aug 27 2007, 07:16 PM
- - Dashifen   And, just to make things worse, I've routinely...   Aug 27 2007, 07:27 PM
- - Buster   I'm not assuming anything, I'm just trying...   Aug 27 2007, 07:34 PM
- - Buster   QUOTE (Dashifen) And, just to make things worse, I...   Aug 27 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Big D   Does party ice still exist? Also, it's troubl...   Aug 27 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Kyoto Kid   QUOTE (Big D)Does party ice still exist? ...I beli...   Aug 27 2007, 08:13 PM
- - Buster   McDonald's sells it now, 2 bags for one fitty.   Aug 27 2007, 10:48 PM
- - Malachi   I don't think the rules have a "hole...   Aug 27 2007, 11:07 PM
- - Malachi   I thought of another way to answer this question. ...   Aug 28 2007, 01:26 AM
- - Buster   Agents are free if you have the source code, secur...   Aug 28 2007, 02:33 AM
- - hobgoblin   there are two ways at looking at the problem, and ...   Aug 28 2007, 05:36 AM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (odinson) QUOTE (Buster @ Aug 27 2007, ...   Aug 28 2007, 05:55 AM
- - Blade   QUOTE (hobgoblin) there are two ways at looking at...   Aug 28 2007, 07:55 AM
- - hobgoblin   its a issue for one simple reason, that agents hav...   Aug 28 2007, 08:12 AM
- - Blade   I get your point. I have answers, but they are re...   Aug 28 2007, 08:28 AM
- - Sma   QUOTE Actually the first one is not really an issu...   Aug 28 2007, 08:34 AM
- - Blade   Yes, you can run the Browse program on your commli...   Aug 28 2007, 08:40 AM
- - hobgoblin   QUOTE (Sma) QUOTE Actually the first one is not re...   Aug 28 2007, 08:54 AM
- - Sma   QUOTE Yes, you can run the Browse program on your ...   Aug 28 2007, 10:32 AM
- - hobgoblin   ok, let me restate that, agents do not create subs...   Aug 28 2007, 10:55 AM
- - Blade   Yes it looks like the rules were written by people...   Aug 28 2007, 12:38 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (hobgoblin) as it is, it seems that persona ...   Aug 28 2007, 07:07 PM
- - BlackRabite   I'm a bit confused here. It sounds to me like ...   Aug 28 2007, 07:34 PM
- - Redjack   I have a few questions and perhaps I'm just mi...   Aug 28 2007, 07:39 PM
- - Tarantula   Redjack. The agent is running on the commlink you...   Aug 28 2007, 07:47 PM
- - Blade   BlackRabite: Yes agents have limited intelligence,...   Aug 28 2007, 07:54 PM
- - Redjack   QUOTE (Tarantula) Redjack. The agent is running o...   Aug 28 2007, 08:57 PM
- - Buster   QUOTE (Redjack @ Aug 28 2007, 02:39 PM) I hav...   Aug 28 2007, 08:58 PM
- - Tarantula   Redjack, you're right, resources aren't un...   Aug 28 2007, 09:02 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Tarantula @ Aug 26 2007, 04:48 PM) Eve...   Aug 28 2007, 09:10 PM
- - Tarantula   Dire. If I buy 101 commlinks, and 100 agent progr...   Aug 28 2007, 09:19 PM
- - Sma   QUOTE If you'd like to discuss it, please use ...   Aug 28 2007, 10:16 PM
- - Tarantula   Honestly, those agents are fairly worthless. They...   Aug 29 2007, 01:58 AM
- - Buster   QUOTE (Sma) Agreed on the the problem (now there...   Aug 29 2007, 03:20 AM
- - Blade   According to the rules, subscription links persona...   Aug 29 2007, 07:49 AM
- - Sma   QUOTE They're supposed to be the drones of the...   Aug 29 2007, 08:14 AM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Tarantula) Dire. If I buy 101 commlinks, a...   Aug 29 2007, 01:44 PM
- - Buster   QUOTE (Sma) QUOTE You have to give agents programs...   Aug 29 2007, 01:55 PM
- - Sma   I wasn't making fun of you or your punctuation...   Aug 29 2007, 02:23 PM
- - Tarantula   QUOTE (DireRadiant) If you abstract this, which i...   Aug 29 2007, 03:32 PM
- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (Tarantula) QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Aug 29...   Aug 29 2007, 04:17 PM
- - Tarantula   Dire, what do you mean? What 1 + 100 are you talk...   Aug 30 2007, 02:00 AM
- - Da9iel   This is a ruling I've been considering for a w...   Aug 30 2007, 03:30 AM
- - Tarantula   Nice dodge, would you mind clarifying what you wer...   Aug 30 2007, 03:42 AM
- - Kerris   I like the idea of SOTA rules, but in practice, I...   Aug 30 2007, 01:35 PM


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