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The Red Menace
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During our last game session a few players got into a lengthy discussion about the spell Increased Reflexes (SR4 Source book) and Decreased Reflexes (Streets of Magic). One of the players felt that Decreased reflexes has a clear and unfair advantage over Increased Reflexes in a couple of ways.

-First off, the Decreased Reflexes spell is cheaper on DV.

-Next, when given an example in which an ally casts Increased Reflexes on a teammate and sustains the spell in a sustaining foci, then an opponent casts Decreased Reflexes on that same teammate...Though the foci is being consistently used each Initiative Pass, the Decreased Reflexes spell spoils any use that the foci has so long as the opponent caster sustains the spell.

-Some players thought this was unfair and feel that if both Increased Reflexes and Decreased Reflexes are used, both spells net hit successes should be recorded and the higher net hits should be able to exist while the other spell cancels.

-Another suggestion was that no matter what, the last person to cast their spell should be the one to have the appropriate affect on the host.

What I am looking for is any aid,references or evidence anyone may be able to find that could help resolve the matter. We attempted to search for some, but a gridlock of translation put us at a dead end.

My only request is that if you are going to chime in with a suggestion, factoid or any other aid...PLEASE be respectful when answering as I plan on showing the players any and all replies.
Thanks for any help,
The Red Menace
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- The Red Menace   I will seek council from the Dumpshockians...   Dec 31 2007, 03:30 PM
- - Ryu   So the always useful, cheaper than any other form ...   Dec 31 2007, 03:59 PM
- - Whipstitch   The question should be "Is Decrease Reflexes ...   Dec 31 2007, 04:07 PM
- - Karaden   I've got to agree with Ryu, I don't see a ...   Dec 31 2007, 04:13 PM
- - FrankTrollman   Even if Decreased Reflexes was castable on an area...   Dec 31 2007, 04:25 PM
- - Whipstitch   Heh, my mages would be puzzled if someone tried it...   Dec 31 2007, 04:47 PM
- - The Red Menace   I appreciate the input. Subquestion which came u...   Dec 31 2007, 04:54 PM
- - Whipstitch   Wired Reflexes isn't really compatible with ot...   Dec 31 2007, 05:03 PM
- - Ryu   He gets IP boni, he gets an IP malus. Add them up,...   Dec 31 2007, 05:06 PM
- - knasser   QUOTE (Ryu) He gets IP boni, he gets an IP malus. ...   Dec 31 2007, 05:34 PM
- - Gelare   QUOTE (knasser) QUOTE (Ryu @ Dec 31 2007, 05:...   Dec 31 2007, 05:57 PM
- - FrankTrollman   But he loses points for using the word "boni...   Dec 31 2007, 06:55 PM
- - Mercer   My next character will be Bones Malus.   Dec 31 2007, 07:50 PM
- - Jaid   QUOTE (Mercer) My next character will be Bones Mal...   Dec 31 2007, 08:22 PM
- - FrankTrollman   I'm a doctor, not a surgeon. -Frank   Dec 31 2007, 09:08 PM
- - Glyph   Decrease reflexes is a horrible choice to use agai...   Jan 1 2008, 04:31 AM
- - Ryu   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) But he loses points for usin...   Jan 1 2008, 02:52 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Ryu) About the only use I can see for Decre...   Jan 2 2008, 04:22 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   QUOTE Secondly, it is a touch-based spell, meaning...   Jan 2 2008, 04:55 PM
- - Karaden   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin) QUOTE Secondly, it is a touch-ba...   Jan 2 2008, 04:58 PM
- - Whipstitch   Too bad giving it LOS range would change the spell...   Jan 2 2008, 06:01 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   It's a balancing factor though. Heck, when th...   Jan 2 2008, 06:31 PM
- - Moon-Hawk   QUOTE (Whipstitch) Too bad giving it LOS range wou...   Jan 2 2008, 06:34 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   I'm not certain that's even being argued. ...   Jan 2 2008, 07:03 PM
- - Stahlseele   Levitation is minmaxed up to nowhere . . it is the...   Jan 2 2008, 08:09 PM
- - bibliophile20   QUOTE (FrankTrollman) I'm a doctor, not a surg...   Jan 2 2008, 08:19 PM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Jhaiisiin) Can't you just have your mag...   Jan 2 2008, 10:14 PM
- - hyzmarca   In previous editions, the paralysis caused by decr...   Jan 2 2008, 10:26 PM
- - Jhaiisiin   Ah, so my GM houseruled it. Got it. It just does...   Jan 2 2008, 11:04 PM
- - Ranneko   I'm quite sure the same restriction appeared i...   Jan 3 2008, 03:57 AM
- - Fortune   QUOTE (Ranneko @ Jan 3 2008, 01:57 PM) I...   Jan 3 2008, 05:23 AM
- - Glyph   QUOTE (MITS pg. 51) Health spells may not produce ...   Jan 3 2008, 05:44 AM
- - Fortune   Well, there you go. Merci.   Jan 3 2008, 05:54 AM
- - Ranneko   Right you are, I thought I remembered reading a si...   Jan 3 2008, 07:33 AM
- - Ryu   Minor note to my players, and a stance I strongly ...   Jan 3 2008, 09:16 AM
- - Jhaiisiin   Yeah, within our own games, we just upped the drai...   Jan 3 2008, 09:40 AM
- - The Red Menace   I appreciate the replies. On a side note about ad...   Jan 3 2008, 02:58 PM


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